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Why the Camry Hybrid in one picture

Discussion in 'Toyota Hybrids and EVs' started by CamryDriver, Oct 13, 2019.

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  1. noonm

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    True, but that is often within the range of the lowest to highest trim price on a car.

    Compare that to this Subaru monstrous price differential:
    Subaru Crosstrek Gasser: MSRP = $21,895
    Subaru Crosstrek PHEV: MSRP = $34,995
    ~$13k hybrid "premium"

    Toyota has done a good job of reducing the hybrid premium to a much more reasonable level.
     
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  2. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Many here feel the extra cost of a full hybrid isn't worth it.
    Mild hybrid systems can be cheap enough to make standard without your consumer base revolting. FCA did that with the V6 Ram 1500, and they are seeing sales growth.

    It is actually $7800 as the Hybrid has all the features of the Limited. Base Prime to base Corolla is $7700, though the Prime has some better features.

    The Crosstrek PHEV isn't sold globally like the Prime, so there are economies of scale in play.
     
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    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    In the US the Rav4 LE the hybrid premium is only $2,250.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    And it's $3000 for the Corolla.
    Full hybrid systems tend to add $2000 to $3000 to the car's price. Ram's eTorque mild hybrid system adds $1250 to the V8, which is the high end of what a mild system should add.
     
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    Leadfoot J. McCoalroller Senior Member

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    Ah but would a mild hybrid setup allow the kind of smoothness the Toyota HSD provides?

    I have to admit, the super-smooth CVT was a real part of the draw for me. Made it okay to overspend on a subcompact.
     
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    It could if the traditional transmission in the car is a CVT.;)
     
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    Ok here is a graph of horsepower times combined MPG. That Rav4 is looking good!
     

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    Last one, I promise. MPG times Horsepower divided by MSRP (in thousands). These "value scores"factor in cost.

    Prius C $21.5k
    Gen 3 $23k
    Gen 4 $24k
    Gen 4 eco $25k
    Rav 4 hybrid and Camry Hybrid $28k

    Even factoring in cost the Rav4 and Camry are crushing it.
     

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    While I can make my own guesses, I’d love to see how a 2020 Yaris hatch, Corolla, Corolla hybrid & Camry (gas 2.5) place against those.

    Nice graph!
     
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    So the math on that last graph is combined EPA MPG x horsepower divided by cost (dropping the k).

    Camry Hybrid 52 MPG x 208 HP/ $28(k) = 386 value score
    Camry 34 MPG x 203 HP / $24(k) = 288 value score
    2020 Yaris 35 MPG x 106 HP / $17.7(k) = 210 value score

    New graph (Rav4 is Hybrid version)
     

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    Looking at the last graph the Camry Hybrid is topping the chart even after figuring in the higher cost.

    The Yaris brings up the rear in spite of being much less expensive. BTW I rented a Yaris once and it got me where I was going but it ain't a Camry, not even close. It isn't just the mileage and power, the Camry is just a much nicer vehicle.
     
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    neither is a prius
     
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    I was struggling, keeping track of the OP's graph colors. Think I've got it right?

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    Yes, looks good but I think I made some errors in that pic, like the mileage of the c is slightly too high. I was guessing on some...
     
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    I was having trouble with the original graph on my phone. Here is a corrected version. Evidently the combined mileage is the same between the non-Eco Gen 4 Prius and the Camry Hybrid.
     

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    Here is one with the ECO on it...
     

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    If you’re gonna separate out the Prius line, you’ll have to separate the Camry line too. SE and XLE modes have lower combined mpg.
     
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    Makes me realize, I kinda care more about the car format than having the absolute best mpg. Or at least, they're both to be considered.
     
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    Bam. Just like that. :)
     
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