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What's with all the bad writing?

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Alnilam, Oct 7, 2006.

  1. Alnilam

    Alnilam The One in the Middle

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Proco @ Oct 10 2006, 11:06 AM) [snapback]330729[/snapback]</div>
    I might except I have four working e-mail addresses and I don't see anything in Firefox that lets me move easily from one to the other as "Switch Identities" does in Outlook Express.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bhaynnes @ Oct 10 2006, 08:48 AM) [snapback]330618[/snapback]</div>
    That is shocking!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Oct 10 2006, 01:09 PM) [snapback]330671[/snapback]</div>
    Kinda like those who point out the spelling errors here in FHOP, and blast the typee.. :rolleyes: :lol: :lol:

    Oh darn where did the pot, and that sneaky kettle go to? :unsure:
     
  3. Proco

    Proco Senior Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Oct 10 2006, 02:14 PM) [snapback]330737[/snapback]</div>
    Aw shucks, galaxee [​IMG]. 'twern't nuthin'.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Oct 8 2006, 02:08 AM) [snapback]329702[/snapback]</div>
    Huhh. How forceful is grammatically correct error ?
     
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    LOL......I love this post,

    Grammar has been on the decline since the 1960s ? With the number of immigrants we get a year it is impossible to teach everyone an impossible lanuage to learn. I mean both my parents were born overseas, and when my mom leaves me a note, this is what it says,"Son call me when you live" (think spanish accent) and yes i am italian. So my 2 cents is that we inherited a crappy lanuage we are doing it justice by changing it, I mean if we hadnt, we would all be speaking like, "o where art my romeo" & "Ole English", if we want to know what real english is like, talk to a brit( i love the women's sexy accent :) ) Im sure they call us yanks when they hear us.

    And another thing, people think faster than than type, so some words are missed here and there, but how is it we managed when writing with pencils ? Maybe we were forced to slow down?

    beats me!

    And if I screwed up in my grammar, my bad homie. lol. ebonics at its finest.
     
  6. Alnilam

    Alnilam The One in the Middle

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Oct 10 2006, 02:25 PM) [snapback]330838[/snapback]</div>
    It's not an error. That's how they write.

    It seemed to work for a few old books anyhow......

    Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

    There may have been a couple of others. Some have rated these books "forceful."
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(massimo @ Oct 10 2006, 05:44 PM) [snapback]330846[/snapback]</div>
    Ooooo those British women & their accents, some of them can 'melt butter' :wub: .
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Oct 10 2006, 06:08 PM) [snapback]330855[/snapback]</div>
    I'm not sure who 'they' are, but I read hebrew with vowels just fine, so they seem to exist. While it is true that the torah is classicly written without vowels, as in modern daily hebrew, vowels exist and are used to write foreign words, in poetry, and the torah printed in books. Or by anybody who wants to. BTW, modern hebrew is written un-voweled as a convenience; I, like most others find it a nuisance that slows down my reading, although exceptions do exist as above.

    The torah may be forceful, but it has nothing to do with vowels, or lack thereof. If I have to choose only one, give me content over grammar any day. Admittedly, I prefer brilliant prose, but grammaticaly correct ignorance is still only ignorance.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Oct 7 2006, 11:08 PM) [snapback]329702[/snapback]</div>
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Oct 10 2006, 04:43 PM) [snapback]330881[/snapback]</div>
    Eric,

    I think that Bob's mis-impression that Hebrew has no vowels is due to the fact that, with the exception of a few consonants that are used to denote vowels, Hebrew vowels consist mostly of symbols such as dots and dashes.

    Wikipedia - Niqqud

    Hebrew Vowels
     
  10. Alnilam

    Alnilam The One in the Middle

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Oct 10 2006, 05:55 PM) [snapback]330924[/snapback]</div>
    They = Hebrew readers/writers. And I was talking about the Torah,the first five books, but perhaps I named the books wrong according to Jewish nomenclature. Aren't Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy the books of the Torah? (These names come from the Christian bible.)

    Now that you mention it, I forgot about the accents. I don't read Hebrew, but I've read about it and from what has been said, I'm not too far wrong. I was thinking of ancient Hebrew rather than the modern version and remembering the hard time translators used to have before the dots and dashes came into use. But this is all way off topic, a sidebar thrown in by galaxee and myself way back when. I should learn not to tread where I am unsure of the path. Sorry.

    My point was, if I can remember now, that modern language, that includes things like vowels and punctuation, makes a language a lot easier to read. We revert to "simpler" systems at our peril. I was making no judgements about Hebrew. 20 million Israelis can't be wrong!
     
  11. jared2

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    For an excellent example of good writing from one of our very own Prius Chatters, see following:

    "sipping freeze dried orangutan dung mixed with 3 day old bat excrement with a touch of sugar from the canes of New Orleans sewers and all the whiles calling it yummy lemonade because its yellow and has a strange sour taste while sweet at the same time while wishing thier good buddy Gore was the man with the plan."

    Can anyone beat that?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Oct 11 2006, 12:40 PM) [snapback]331187[/snapback]</div>
    [​IMG]
     
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    That reminds me of a poem my grandfather used to tell me before I would go to sleep at night:

    It was midnight on the ocean
    Not a streetcar was in sight
    The sun and moon shown brightly
    As it rained all day that night
    But in the summer snow storm
    When the rain flew just like glass
    A barefoot boy with shoes on
    Stood sitting in the grass

    There is something to be said for form and content in concert. I'll throw in as a hebrew reader myself, I'm lost without the vowels... :rolleyes:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mitchbf @ Oct 11 2006, 01:47 PM) [snapback]331233[/snapback]</div>
    Very good. My son will like it.
     
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    "There is something to be said for form and content in concert."

    Concision is the essence of good writing, hence "form follows function". Better? (note the nifty alliteration). And it is not original. I'm not that smart.

    By the way, is there a difference between "concision" and "conciseness"? In a nutshell, no.
     
  17. TJandGENESIS

    TJandGENESIS Are We Having Fun Yet?

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    I'se likes me some facyfied English, I shirleys dos.

    Yep.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ Oct 11 2006, 03:32 PM) [snapback]331305[/snapback]</div>
    Best be watch'in wot you says - dat do'nt sound like no dam ebonics to me.
     
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    Here we have a prime example of bad writing due to muddled thinking:

    Do you think the Democratic Party of today resembles the Democratic Party of the 1940's-1960's? In the same way i do not think the Republican Party does it was that metamorphasis of the Republican Party of re-inventing itself from a party of isolation and weak defense posture to its current sets of beliefs that have propelled itself into power - and the same shift of the Democratic Party from what it was in the past that cast it as the party of power into its current sets of beliefs that are making it the minority party. If the Dems do not win big and if they do not "blow themselves up and re-invent themselves" what will propel them into power?

    Translation: "

    Do you think the Democractic Party of today resembles the Democractic Party of the 1940's-1960's? Neither does the Republican Party. It metamorphosed from a party of isolation and weak defense into a party with [unclear] beliefs that have propelled it into power. In the same way, the Democrats lost power because of their [unclear] current set of beliefs. If the dems do not win big by re-inventing themselves, how can they win?

    Note the vacuity of "current set of beliefs", the spelling errors, the incoherence of "does it was that metamorphasis" and the rambling structure. This is a good example of semiliterate writing.
     
  20. Alnilam

    Alnilam The One in the Middle

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Oct 11 2006, 01:26 PM) [snapback]331346[/snapback]</div>
    Well done! I wasn't even thinking of "literate writing" when I started this thread. I was complaining how folks with pretty good ideas hide them in a jumble of "creative grammar" to the point where reading them gets painful. Some have expressed worry about international visitors who might be afraid to post something less than perfect. I wonder what they must think of us, the "most educated country in the world."

    I was thinking that if one could master the intricacies of a Prius and drive it around without doing violence, then surely basic writing skills were within reach. I know I'm right but that seldom matters in an argument. But now you raise the bar seeking consistent, well-reasoned writing here!

    I'd like to win the lottery too!