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What's with all the bad writing?

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Alnilam, Oct 7, 2006.

  1. Alnilam

    Alnilam The One in the Middle

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stev0 @ Oct 7 2006, 09:52 PM) [snapback]329682[/snapback]</div>
    Me? ;) Shirley you jest!
     
  2. IsrAmeriPrius

    IsrAmeriPrius Progressive Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Oct 7 2006, 08:25 PM) [snapback]329656[/snapback]</div>
    "Looser." Does that mean that you are not uptight?
     
  3. TJandGENESIS

    TJandGENESIS Are We Having Fun Yet?

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Oct 8 2006, 02:08 AM) [snapback]329702[/snapback]</div>
    See, I know this that of which you speak; however, the point of my paper was to illustrate how difficult it must have been for those who translated the ancient text in the first place.

    As to common standard of writing, what passes for writing today, is in fact, a far cry from what I was taught back in school some 30 odd years ago.

    Not that I am saying I write super keen now. I just don't think the high and mighty brigade should be called out here.

    First, this is a thread (and when did that word come to mean a discussion?), located in a forum, on the internets.

    Second, was the original composer using proper grammar? Did the 'letter' have a proper introduction? Has any proper notice been given to whom one is 'speaking' to?

    I rather think not.

    And if this is what get yer panties in a bunch, well, dang gum it, youse got some other issues to deal with.

    Now, dig that! B)
     
  4. Alnilam

    Alnilam The One in the Middle

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TJandGENESIS @ Oct 8 2006, 10:37 PM) [snapback]329953[/snapback]</div>
    I'm not real sure what you said there, surely my fault, but I think I've been devastated somehow. You win! I'm off with my tail between my legs! Mercy! :eek:
     
  5. TJandGENESIS

    TJandGENESIS Are We Having Fun Yet?

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Oct 9 2006, 02:52 AM) [snapback]329967[/snapback]</div>
    Golly!
     
  6. Bill Merchant

    Bill Merchant absit invidia

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Oct 7 2006, 01:21 PM) [snapback]329500[/snapback]</div>
    YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, ALNILAM. HARDLY ANYTHING IS WORSE THAN USING ONLY THE LETTERS FROM THE LOWER CASE.
     
  7. Bill Merchant

    Bill Merchant absit invidia

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    DON'T BE LACHRYMOSE IF I MICTURATE ON YOUR TATTOO.
     
  8. v.jones

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bill Merchant @ Oct 9 2006, 04:16 AM) [snapback]329972[/snapback]</div>
    Shouting is so out of character for you, Bill... But if you really want to make it unreadable, pretend you're on a teletype and switch to a fuzzy monospaced typeface with irregular spacing and an erratic baseline. Thankfully, the radio news programs no longer feel a need to have teletype noises in the background so you know you're listening to "up to the minute" news.

    My personal feeling is that I'll cut some slack for someone trying to communicate with a handicap (such as from a cell phone or blackberry like keyboard), but anyone who abuses my time by making me work harder to understand what is being said is unlikely to be read unless I have other reasons to believe that my extra effort will be rewarded.The vast majority of the time, sloppy writing reflects sloppy thinking, making it easier for me to ignore the clutter.

    Lazy writers strike me as the verbal equivalent of the egoistic drivers who think they are more important than others and slow down everyone by using the wrong lane and cutting in at the last minute, or blocking an intersection so cross traffic can't get through either.

    Vince
     
  9. withersea

    withersea DNF is better than DNS

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Oct 7 2006, 06:50 PM) [snapback]329567[/snapback]</div>
    I agree with galaxee. I'm here for recreation. I do not want every post to get a grade. Relax and have some fun if you're capable. Most of us know at least a few rules of grammar, but hey. we come here to let our hair down and slip into something more comfortable.
     
  10. Allannde

    Allannde Just a Senior

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(v.jones @ Oct 9 2006, 04:27 AM) [snapback]329996[/snapback]</div>
    While I also agree with galaxee about being here for recreation, Vince makes a very strong point, above.
     
  11. Alnilam

    Alnilam The One in the Middle

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(withersea @ Oct 9 2006, 06:55 AM) [snapback]330002[/snapback]</div>
    Like what, second childhood?

    If you are a devotee of bad writing, why did you do bother to do it right, above? It wasn't a bother was it? It would have been harder for you to write badly because you were taught well.

    Hey, for the most part I'm just kidding around here too, as much as I'm "capable," LIKE BILL MERCHANT WAS. But v.jones, whom I've never spoken to in my life, makes the point that, like it or not, our writing IS being judged. We don't know one another. What we see here is our only assessment of the writer's brain. Is it neat and organized, likely to produce good, reasoned argument, or is it a jumble full of jabber? If we find the latter, we needn't be unkind, but I think it likely the poster will be treated as a bit of a lightweight. You can be funny and clear at the same time. That is real recreation!

    I might have made it obvious someplace that my politics are a bit to the left of center right now. But, even though I might disagree with almost all their main points, I go out of my way to read William F. Buckley and George Will for some of the best explanation of their side's thinking. They feel strongly enough about what they say to take the time to be clear. They respect their readers.

    That level of thinking and writing is what I have to answer in my own head, not the stupid repetition of a hack (or even a President) who just endlessly repeats, for example, that "Democrats are the party of cut 'n run." Kind of like the reception that RichBoy gets here when he answers every Prius problem with, "Take your car to an authorized Toyota mechanic." It's child's play to argue with children.

    Who write like:
    wow this alnilam dude is such a like nurdy geek its like third grade with mrs wilyums again picking on every little thing i rite what a downer hes like totally so without a clue git a live yeesh

    Wasn't that recreational?

    (I'm not good at this. For better examples, scan around some of PriusChat.)

    (The warning says that FHOP might be dangerous for children. "Beware the jabberwock, my son!")
     
  12. jared2

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    Speaking of how our president "thinks", I just read a good example in Peter Hessler's "Oracle Bones". This is from a speech Bush made to students in China a few years ago:

    "Somebody asked if the president had notices any changes since his first trip to Beijing in 1975. Bush replied
    'In 1975 everybody wore the same clothes. Now people pick their own clothes. Just look here on the front row. Everybody's dressed differently. Because you thought, this is what you wanted. You made the decision to wear a beautiful red sweater. And when you made that decision, somebody made it.' His last words were 'God bless you all'. Later, I didn't hear a single student talking about the state visit."
     
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    aaf709 Ravenpaw of ThunderClan

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Oct 7 2006, 03:50 PM) [snapback]329567[/snapback]</div>
    It could also be homage to E.E. Cummings (see the link as to why it's E.E. and not e.e.).
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Allannde @ Oct 8 2006, 02:04 PM) [snapback]329782[/snapback]</div>
    OK. I tried humor to make my point that I'm here for the valuable information no matter how it's presented. Obviously, I had better stick to my day job.

    Do I agree that the clearer the verbal communication, the more likely our message will be properly interpreted, absent the non-verbal context? Absolutely. Who wouldn't?

    What concerns me is that this is a public forum where people come from all over the globe to discuss their car of choice. Do we spurn those whose native language is not English? And if we begin chiding posters about their grammar or spelling, what's next? Sentence length? Content of posts? Frequency of postings? Scientific validity of ideas? Appropriateness of avatar? Size & color of font?

    Don't misunderstand, you do make some good points in explaining why you prefer "strict and proper" written communication. What I don't believe is that anyone here has the right to impose his/her standards on others in a free & open forum.

    Ditto galaxee on this one: I'm here for recreation.
     
  15. daronspicher

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    eye fale too sea the point to pointing out that some the users loose track of some thing that make post seam like there ignoraunt.

    why do you say it!!!

    Thanks?


    :D :p :p :D
     
  16. jared2

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    Frankly, the style of a post is much more important than the content since the content is almost always tired, rehashed ideas about as compelling as yesterday's mash potatoes. I especially hate the use of emoticons as a substitute for real writing. They make me :angry: :angry: :angry:
    :)
     
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    dooooough! Argh!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Oct 9 2006, 08:37 AM) [snapback]330095[/snapback]</div>
    There is no way I could say it better!

    Thank You
     
  19. withersea

    withersea DNF is better than DNS

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Oct 9 2006, 12:18 PM) [snapback]330056[/snapback]</div>
    Jesus, lighten up your pompous, condescending attitude would you?
     
  20. Alnilam

    Alnilam The One in the Middle

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Starfall @ Oct 9 2006, 10:28 AM) [snapback]330092[/snapback]</div>
    Since where we live is indicated on our avitar, I think it safe to say that 99.99% of PriusChat users speak English of one sort or another (the Brits and the Aussies humor us I think.) Nobody would dream of making fun of a visitor from afar. I have a B.A. in French yet I know I drive French speakers to drink whenever I try to write in their beautiful language. And I sure don't cripple myself on purpose by writing in some far out manner that would cause the Academie Française to put a contract out on me!

    To answer your questions: No, I don't know, Maybe, Yes, Nah, Yes, No and Maybe.

    Nobody is trying to impose "his/her standards" on this forum. They are standards of the language!