VW Faces $17B Fine for Emissions Scam

The new Cruze has a 1.6L diesel option now. Don't know if it will offered in the new hatchback. That's it in terms of non-luxury brands at this time. BMW started offering diesels a few years back, and Mercedes had them for a long time. There is also the Grand Cherokee with a diesel option.

Some Audi's got caught up in this.

 

Understood. I guess I was getting at that there really are no affordable diesels on the market currently besides the Cruze diesel...

The Cherokee Diesel is well over 50k (crazy expensive), Audi's are very pricy too.. No point in mentioning Mercedes...$$..

 

The reason VW was able to corner the diesel market in the US was because they were the only affordable brand to offer one. The Cruze diesel didn't come to market until VW started cheating. Now VW can't cheat or may not even bring a diesel back. Which leaves GM with an opportunity here. A good hybrid would be a better option in most cases, but increased efficient options helps.

The Grand Cherokee has always been crazy experience. The lack of diesel competition in the US has allowed those to offer them to make more by only putting the diesel in trim models. The diesel Cruze may have pushed VW into selling a base trim diesel Jetta for the first time.

 

like i said - it was ~a yr ago .... he loves it - wife doesn't ... all he said was freeway constant mpg about 50 (i never googled what epa claims) , and it has the 'pee tank' as part of its emissions ' system - sorry for going OT.
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According to the auto testing websites, our neighbors' Highway MPG is maybe 10% above what EPA claims. Quick Segway - Doesn't Range Rover import their diesel version as well? Surely it can't be as unreliable is there gasser.
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The 10% seems to be what the EPA's diesel pessimism on the test can be.
Yes to the Range Rover diesel. It's engine might show up in a F150.

 

VW wins the Ig Nobel prize for Chemistry

 

how long have you been waiting to use that.

 

No waiting. Ceremony just took place. Oddly, they do not inform me directly of winners.

Improbable Research

 

why did no one attend the ceremony?

 

One alternative to liking posts here is subscription to Anna. Improb. Res. Where doctors' waiting rooms provided that magazine, I have invariably felt more confident about treatment quality.

 

The citation reads:

CHEMISTRY PRIZE [GERMANY] — Volkswagen, for solving the problem of excessive automobile pollution emissions by automatically, electromechanically producing fewer emissions whenever the cars are being tested.


REFERENCE: "EPA, California Notify Volkswagen of Clean Air Act Violations", U.S. Environmental Protection Agency news release, September 18, 2015.​

Bob Wilson

 

Source: Toyota C-HR 2016: New Models Won't Have Diesel Engines

Toyota TM -1.17% has decided to drop diesel engines from its new C-HR compact in the wake of Volkswagen’s emissions scandal and will probably do the same for future model renewals, the carmaker’s second-ranking global executive said on Thursday.

The Japanese automaker decided “within the last six to 12 months” not to offer a diesel version of the car, unveiled at the Paris auto show, because demand for the powertrain technology is falling sharply, executive vice president Didier Leroy told Reuters in an interview.​

Bob Wilson

 

Very good move

 

What's interesting is that I hear all the time that Europeans don't care about the scandal.

Seems that either that's wrong, or at least that's wrong among the subset of Europeans that buy Toyotas.

 

They will be voting with their wallets. Perhaps there is some sales metrics?

Bob Wilson

 

Source: Dieselgate: Who? What? How? | Transport & Environment

This report, released on the first anniversary of the Dieselgate scandal, exposes the shocking number of dirty diesel cars on the EU’s roads and the feeble regulation of cars by national authorities that have focused on protecting their own commercial interests or those of domestic carmakers. In the US, following the disclosure that VW had cheated emissions tests, justice has been swiftly and effectively delivered. This is in stark contrast to Europe where VW claims it has not acted illegally, no penalties have been levied and no compensation has been provided to customers.​

Kinda justifies Bexit.

Technical details: https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publications/2016_09_Dieselgate_report_who_what_how_FINAL_0.pdf

Ultimately Europe must end its diesel addiction. To do this diesel and petrol vehicle emissions limits should be equivalent, and member states should equalise taxes on diesel vehicles and fuel the biases in favour of diesel must end. Electromobilty will ultimately solve the air pollution crisis in our cities; but the measures outlined in this report will make an important contribution to remediating the current problems in the short term and also put the automotive industry on a more sustainable long term path.​

Bob Wilson

 

Wow, maybe we should be selling our worst guzzlers over there - cars with crankcases vented right onto the streets like in the good old days - pre 1960's since they don't seem to think it matters ....
Ironically it seems like there was a time where there was an indignance - as though Europeans cared more about clean air in the US did. Sure didn't see that one coming
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@bwilson4web
There is "beyond tailpipe emissions" and there is "behind tailpipe emissions"

 

In recent discussions I've seen, cleaner for Europeans means less CO2.

 

Source: “Resounding” Majority of VW Diesel Owners Will Take Settlement Offer | TheDetroitBureau.com

So far, 311,209 owners have registered for the settlement offer. Another 3,298 owners have opted out of the deal, giving them the option to sue individually or take other actions, attorneys handling the class-action lawsuit said. The deadline for opting out ended on Sept. 16.

Consumers soon will be able to begin collecting payments for their vehicles if they prefer a buyback. They have up to two years to decide which option to seek, and some are reportedly waiting to find out if VW eventually will come up with a repair plan that the EPA and California regulators will approve.​

Bob Wilson