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VW Faces $17B Fine for Emissions Scam

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by Jeff N, Sep 18, 2015.

  1. hill

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    you're right there are few, but I can think of a couple more - this bad boy (my fave) for instance comes to mind ;
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    Not that I wouldn't be reluctant to throw sacks of concrete in the back

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    There's also now a hybrid pickup option, in California only - the Silverado/Sierra eAssist.

    As far as hybrid SUVs, the full list for 2016-2017, in descending fuel economy order, bold for marques that aren't Toyota or Lexus:

    Toyota RAV4 Hybrid (33 combined AWD, 2.5 I4, power split)
    Lexus NX 300h (33 combined FWD, 32 combined AWD, 2.5 I4, power split)
    Subaru XV Crosstrek Hybrid (31 combined AWD, 2.0 H4, CVT - if you count it as an SUV, the EPA does, but it's really just an Impreza Hatch on stilts... and if you count it as a non-Toyota, with Toyota's investment in FHI)
    Lexus RX 450h (30 combined FWD and AWD, 3.5 V6, power split)
    Nissan Murano Hybrid (29 combined FWD, 28 combined AWD, 2.5 supercharged I4, CVT)
    Toyota Highlander Hybrid (28 combined AWD, 3.5 V6, power split)
    Infiniti QX60 Hybrid (26 combined FWD and AWD, 2.5 supercharged I4, CVT)
    Audi Q5 Hybrid (26 combined AWD, 2.0 turbocharged I4, 8-speed planetary automatic)
    Porsche Cayenne S e-Hybrid (47 MPGe and 22 MPG combined AWD, 3.0 supercharged V6, 8-speed planetary automatic

    Touareg Hybrid appears to have been discontinued for 2016, so that's out.
     
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    It is now a PHEV; no plain hybrid version. So while there are some among those registered hybrids, there won't be any more. This is also true of other brand's hybrids.

    I'm working under the assumption that a diesel forum isn't counting plug in hybrids for their announcement.

    Doing a power search at Fueleconomy.gov for model year 2015 diesels, there are 39 cars, truck, and SUVs. 11 for just SUVs. Some would be counted twice if there is an AWD option.

    For hybrids, there are 46. 13 SUVs with the same possible double count.

    The large pick ups aren't being counted under this since a window sticker MPG isn't required of them. I'm sure these diesels are counted for registrations
     
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    watch out elon!:p
     
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    VW talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

    The g-Golf is a cracking car yet it has only sold 129 cars in 2 years in the UK, 53 in 2014 and 76 in 2015. Pathetic. Nissan in contrast sold 1,000's of their Leaf as did Tesla with their model S. VW just won't sell the e-Golf here, or make it so hard it's almost impossible to buy one.

    Can't see them changing their spots in the future.

    VOLKSWAGEN E-GOLF (model family) - How Many Left?
     
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    i'm sure mueller will be making a lot of greenwashing statements going forward.

    that, and 'integrity'.:rolleyes:
     
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    • Watch the spinning disk: [​IMG]
    • You are getting sleepy, sleepy ...
    • Congratulations, you have reached your destination and had a success time. You got back in your car and returned to where you started, "happy!"
    • On the count of three, you will awake: eins, zwei drei!
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    Well, the wait continues. We were supposed to get details of the settlement this Tuesday, June 21st. The judge agreed to a request by VW, the EPA and the mediator (former FBI Director Muller) to delay release for a week, until June 28th, as the parties were resolving technical details, whatever that means. The hearing to discuss (and hopefully approve) the settlement hasn't moved, it's still on July 26th. The public comment period is therefore reduced by a week. If the parties want comments, they can review the 37,000+ post thread at TDIClub...

    Still enjoying driving the JSW TDI, but I'm looking forward to this being done.
     
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    they're busy designing their 20 new ev models.:cool:
     
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    uh-huh ... and paying down the judges' mortgage .... and his alimony - all his kid's college tuition ... the sticking point is the 2000 develoved acres in Costa Rica

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    #1455 bwilson4web, Jun 18, 2016
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    Source: Volkswagen diesel customers moving on to other brands as resolution drags on

    One of them bought his past four vehicles from Gaudet’s Volkswagen store, part of the AutoServ Dealer Group in Tilton, N.H., and had been back to the VW dealership three times since the diesel scandal erupted in September for guidance on what to do with his diesel vehicle as trade-in time approached. Each time, Gaudet says, his dealership told the customer to hang tight until more was known.

    “He didn’t show up a fourth time,” Gaudet said. “I happened to run into him, and he was driving a Honda.”

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    Repeat business is everyone's 'bread and butter.' It has spilled over to their gas-car business too.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Source: South Korea issues arrest warrant for VW executive in emissions probe| Reuters

    A South Korean court on Friday issued the first warrant for the arrest of a Volkswagen AG (VOWG_p.DE) executive in connection with its cheating of vehicle emissions tests, in another blow to the German automaker's efforts to move on from the scandal.

    The warrant is the first to be levelled against a Volkswagen executive anywhere in the world after the firm in September admitted to using software to falsify pollution tests on some diesel cars, spurring legal action in the United States, Germany, South Korea and elsewhere.

    I don't object but think the VW Board of Directors should also be listed and some former VW employees and managers.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    starting to get entertaining.
     
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    5 to 1 odds that Hyundai sales in Germany just went bye-bye. I better get some popcorn for this drama
     
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