VW Faces $17B Fine for Emissions Scam

Do you know which ones?

Of course, with their entire 2015 sales only coming to this count, what difference does it really make:

BMW 3-Series Diesel = 247
BMW 5-Series Diesel = 215
BMW X5 Diesel = 207
BMW X3 Diesel = 186
BMW 7-Series Diesel = 14

There's no comparison to a PZEV rated hybrid with a plug anyway. BMW's own i3 is a clear effort in that direction... of which, they sold far more of here.

 

Actually, those sales figures were for the month of December, not for the entire year. The entire year (2015) according to Hybridcars...


BMW 3-Series Diesel = 3,321
BMW 5-Series Diesel = 1,356
BMW X5 Diesel = 5,121
BMW X3 Diesel = 1,784
BMW 7-Series Diesel = 20


Granted, those are relatively small numbers, but the point is that diesel can be as clean as gasoline, even hybrids.

All of the BMW U.S. diesel vehicles technically meet SULEV standard except 5-series and 7-series which just miss the FTP NOx limit (0.03 g/mile vs 0.2 g/mile).

 

...which is what we've been told for a decade. Ironically, it was the "clean" promotion of diesel that contributed heavily to the disaster VW is dealing with now.

Like you said, the numbers are relatively small. That's not progress, especially when some of those sales had a tax-credit incentive.

 

+1

Plus the range of "stuff" the owner has to worry about (DPF, SCR) just to make them so-called clean. Sure we hybrid owners need to deal with traction battery and hybrid components, but so far there's nothing to worry about after 160k km of use.

Personally I wouldn't want a diesel car in my garage, it would stink out my garage, NOX and PM are just the poison that my family don't need. I rather a hybrid or even better an BEV (or a FCV if I have the money)

SM-G900I ?

 

Gasoline engines have been shown to produce far higher particle emissions at start up than a diesel with DPF - up to 8000 time more for GDI, which is a potential issue for starting the engine in an enclosed garage.

Solid Particle Emissions from Vehicle Exhaust during Engine Start-Up

 

Ahh - congratulations - another advocate for more EV's.

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Thank you for posting values:

It is not easy to meet emissions standards and anyone who does it right deserves credit. Just the cheat-diesels did something really bad.

The VW, cheat-diesels just barely met the standard, ~80% versus the Prius under 10%. Yet VW touted the "clean" because being a PASS-FAIL system, they passed.

Bob Wilson

 

that's not what bugs me - it's that Volkswagen was claiming they were so pure - they ought to get white sticker type HOV lane privileges as though they were as spotless as driving all electric
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That would be TRADITIONAL gasoline engines. Their crude method of starting simply cannot compare to the way Prius does it.

Waiting until oil-pressure is established and having the engine already spun up to idle speed is much cleaner.

 

how did you change wxman to woman, i need to learn that trick.

 

As Bob Dylan said, "You don't need a weatherman..."

 

Who?

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Wondering that myself.

 

How Volkswagen Really Blew It: It Was China, Not Dieselgate

TDIClub Forums - View Single Post - Diesel Cleaner Then Gas?

 

dylan thomas.

 

Another auto correct success on the small screen.

Bob Wilson

 

dang, and i was gonna have a ball with that technique.

 

I'd seen both:

• China is a hard market and VW is not the first to be disappointed.
• The NOx values in the model should be ~30x higher and the TDI should not have been sold in 2011.

Bob Wilson

 

2015 (Full Year) International: Worldwide Car Sales

 

The point I was trying to make there is that upstream emissions of ULSD are lower than upstream emissions of gasoline, which more than offsets the higher vehicular emissions of the TDI.

Official certified emissions of both versions of the Jetta were used for that graphic, and I was duped just like the regulatory agencies. I feel totally betrayed by VW and agree that this scandal has probably damaged diesel technology's reputation as much or more than the poorly-designed GM diesels of the 1980s. I certainly do not have any inclination to defend VW whatsoever.