VW Faces $17B Fine for Emissions Scam

Vastly different. The overreading speedometer is not only legal, it is an industry norm carried over from the old days when analog speedometers were much less accurate, and manufacturers had to comply with local laws forbidding them from underreading. The error you are seeing is well within legal and industry accuracy requirements.

The ODB figure lacks the display bias, but is at some risk of not conforming to the various local laws. The higher display number is adjusted to insure legality.

'Normal' overreads in the EU market are even higher.

 

and like the article points out above nox kills - your OBD difference between the speedo wont. It's a shame that has to be pointed out to some folks. Speaking of which;

 

Oh yea?

. . . with his SMOG

Bob Wilson

 

Nobody really cares about this smog issue? Really! Thats obviously wrong.

Maybe nobody amongst your friends and acquaintances.

I suggest that those who are adversely affected by smog often do care and sometimes passionately.

Many of those who aren't personally affected, maybe not so much.

Mine reads 1 to 2 mph high compared to my GPS.

This is not what I would prefer but its what I would expect.

With different tires the results would differ.

So far as I'm aware Toyota would have regulatory and legal problems if the speedometer ever read low with OEM tires so I understand them leaving a slight margin

 

If you put bigger diameter tires (like Bob did) in EU, you have to get your spedometer checked (also have to have other certificates) and it must not underread, spedometer error comes very handy in this kind of situation.

 

...about "this" smog issue. In the big picture this is nothing. Don't try to turn my words into something they are not.

 

Why VW gets no sympathy from other dealers:

Facing worsening pollution problems during an unusual warm, dry December, officials in Rome and Milan have ordered temporary automotive bans next week.


The two Italian cities join a fast-growing club with more and more of the world’s major metropolitan areas ordering drastic steps to deal with air quality issues. Beijing and several other Chinese cities have included automobiles in new restrictions triggered by air pollution red alerts, and the Indian capital of Delhi is debating its own automotive restrictions.
. . .
The emergency order will see a six-hour ban on cars on Monday and again on Tuesday. . . .
Source: Rome, Milan Latest Big Cities to Curb Cars to Cut Pollution | TheDetroitBureau.com​

So how many non-VW dealers will be selling cars on those days.

Bob Wilson

 

I wonder if Rome and Milan would have to issue these orders if VW Group (VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat) diesels were removed from the roads?

I imagine not.

 

I will be the first to say that VW QC and reliability is horrible, but in the same breath add that the NOx levels "cheat" of the applicable TDI vehicles has nothing to do with the current status of air pollution anywhere in the world. Do your research people.

 

You will have to help me out. Where exactly does the NOx that comes out of the VW TDI vehicles get dumped to? I thought it was the atmosphere somewhere in the world.

 

...and the '09-'15's we are talking about is responsible for the worlds current level air pollution? Answer that. The ppm "cheat" is infinitesimal, if not immeasurable, in the big picture. Even the Prius is adding to the problem. 990 posts of anything not Prius hate thread.

 

I'm not sure exactly what you are defending in you post 989. What is you position on VW's actions and consequences?

I'm only pointing out the obvious....pollution has a source...and the only way to get rid of pollution is to stop pollution. (How much research is necessary to understand that point??)

 

i think it goes back to goes back to grumpy's point in post #988. it probably applies more to europe than u.s., but pollution is pollution. we need to do our best to continue reducing it. finger pointing won't help, just action is needed.

 

The VW Group in parts of Europe can account for 1 in 4 vehicle sales. In parts of Europe those sales run at 80% diesel. If people are buying cars that are pumping out 6 to 7 times the mandated levels, then that will affect city air quality whatever VW's lawyers may say,

 

You are the one stating that "the NOx levels "cheat" of the applicable TDI vehicles has nothing to do with the current status of air pollution anywhere in the world". This is a very broad claim. What data and reasoning are you basing it on? I would be genuinely interested in reading it.

 

Actually it was a sarcastic rhetorical question which requires no answer.

 

We are PriusChat so convert 500,000 cheat diesels to Prius equivalents, roughly:

• ~30x ordinary car standard
• Prius is ~1/3d of ordinary car standard, each cheat-diesel ~3*30 = 90 Prius
  
• 90 x 500,000 cheat-diesels is about 45,000,000 Prius

But the vehicle ban is driven by the REASON for emissions standard. It goes to first principles and reaches beyond VW perfidy to address why. But even the by-standing car dealers have a 'dog in that fight.'

• Assuming all gassers are on the high-end of the emissions standard, 500,000 car sales lost.
• If the gassers were at 50% of the standard, 1,000,000 ordinary car sales equivalent.

So all those dealers in 'car closed' cities lose not only sales from the bad air, they also lost sales because the cheat-diesels sales from legit cars.

Bob Wilson

 

Porsche Cayenne - there's a hybrid version . . . isn't there a diesel version too?
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Might be on hold with the scandal.
Porsche All Cayenne Models - Porsche Cars North America

 

found this read in
the LA Times - claiming the Cayenne is cheat free - but they give no source. And - strangely to me - they're saying that the diesil will be a tidy piece of total sales;

Porsche Cayenne Diesel: Practical but also powerful - LA Times

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