VW Faces $17B Fine for Emissions Scam

He is talking about NEDC rating and real life, there is no car, repeat NO CAR in this world that can do better than posted NEDC mileage.

Golf 1.6 TDI bluemotion is rated at 3.4 l/100 km, yes you read that correct, better than Prius rated 3.9 l/100 km. How is that possible? Prius was rated in 2009, Golf bluemotion was rated in 2014, I expect next gen Prius to be rated around 3.2 l/100 km just because it will be tested in 2016 and manufacturers must meet CO2 targets.

What about real life "fuelly" data?
We have spritmonitor in europe, here you can see, that Golf 1.6 TDI bluemotion exceds it's rating not just 40% but by a whooping 58%.

 

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Man, that NEDC thing is incredibly optimistic. I was quoting the AU fuel cycle, which is unrealistic and optimistic in itself. For info, the UK Jetta 2.0 TDI has a 4.2l/100km (NEDC?)... Now that's 50% over compared with fuelly real life consumption!


SM-G900I ?

 

... the shock you've just incurred is what we refer to in survivorship studies as a structural break, whereby equilibrium within our familiar epoch we're well acclimated was abruptly punctuated, by fear and unfamiliarity of a weirding new mean, where uncertainty looms large, and nothing thereafter will never be the same.

You know the drill: after the Warrenwagon report is finally published, and the world is duly informed startling revelations it was VW assembly line worker Lee Harvey Oswaltberger having acted alone, solely responsible for rigging 11 million Volkswagens. Subsequently gunned down dead by nightclub owner Jack Von Rubysteiner in an archetypical perp-walk choreographed for the media, a didactic sense of justice will pervade, and you may then return to realizing your consumerist goals, mindlessly driving your personal transportation units, tossing your spent candy wrappers out our sunroofs in peaceful tranquil, ignorant bliss.

What is wrong with the Germans? What is fundamentally lacking deep within Germany's national character which would compel them in their arrogance, to pull such a puerile, sophomoric stunt? Yet, eight model years from 2009 to present since these emissions gaming shenanigans have been going on, yet not one Volkswagen employee stepped forward, to do the right thing?

Like the fox in the hen house, the Germans are a whole lot less sorry about their transgressions, a whole lot more sorry they got caught.

No way VW's dealership networks can plead ignorance. They had to have known. Every individual in the VW service network, from general sales managers and master technicians, straight down to dealership PDI personnel, there is no way they couldn't have known.

The Germans think of Americans as inferior beings, country bumpkins lessor of intellect, lacking in our basic intelligence. And, it's true. They outsmarted us, fair and square. Wholly unbeknownst to us, that the Germans have been pulling this stunt, right under our nose since -- what? 2009? Indeed, the Germans are quite correct. Not only are Americans drop dead stupid? America's best days well behind her, not one aspect of the United States federal government functions properly.

Volkswagen enterprise managers, having defecated asunder the theory of free market environmentalism, the era ahead will bare witness to big government in car culture, on an unprecedented scale. Soon to be unleashed upon us, the depth, extent, breadth, cost and complexity of our biennial smog checks -- beyond anything we could have comprehended -- it's the consumer who ultimately pays for Volkswagen's shenanigans.

And, you thought smog-check was invasive, now?

You know the drill. All because of Volkswagen, EU and Washington DC policy wonks are going to have to legislate brand new working rules. By the time sausage grinding of strict, more comprehensive, more invasive federal legislation is enacted, taking our cars through smog check is going to be indicative of our mothers, wives and daughters groped and felt-up, by sick-f##k-horny TSA inspectors (e.g., pardon my French).

Come smog check time, they say jump, you say how high. Just like TSA, so much as look at your smog technician sideways, your poor car is going be getting the butt-search.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, you know the drill: No need for the good folks of Volkswagen, worrying their pretty little heads losing sleep over this itty-bitty-wittle scandal. They may indeed take solace knowing, no one in policy community history is softer on corporate crime than, God bless his heart, our very own Barack Hussein Obama.

Greatest environmental crime in human history occurring on his watch, and not one earth scientist did our hero Barack Obama think to appoint when elected, to a cabinet level post.

Depth, breadth or extent the federal government cares about the environment is an artfully woven bureaucratic facade. In actuality, environmental policy here in America works like this: feel free to dump in vacant fields, vandalize monuments, tag and graffiti our cities asunder, poison the food supply, litter the earth, chop down the forests, cheat emissions, and defecate in your neighbor's swimming pool to your heart's content, it's okay, just so long as it never makes the 6:00 news.

Volkswagen's only mistake... it made the six o'clock news.

Now, the complacent, overpaid bureaucrats of the United States federal government have to make a big deal out of this, make some new rules, choose up a couple of low-level bureaucratic chumps for the mainstream media to foist the blame upon, before doing up another fancy facade to portray how much they really-really care about the environment before heading back to their corner offices, for which to go back to the federal government's favorite workday activity: trolling gay porn on the information superhighway.

Not one BP exec, not one Wall Street exec, not one General Motors exec, not one Takata exec ever singled-out or held to account for wrongdoing, by anyone in the United States policy community, the good folks at Volkswagen may rest easy knowing, just so long as it's white collar crime, or corporate crime, then according to our very own Barack Obama, life's a great big bowl of cherries! And, by all means, gorge themselves, Volkswagen may help themselves, stuffing much as they can stuff into their mouths.

Save who may-- Samuel, '04 Ruthiemobile.

 

great manifesto! you're more prolific than tem.

 

@asjoseph I think you're being self-centered 'merkin. Only less than 5% of these cheating VW were sold here. Another 95% were sold elsewhere, yet we caught them. And after our judicial system is through with VW, and the fines are paid, they will regret it so much!
And you shouldn't be upset about German integrity and German virtues. Just stop being an idealist and lower your standards. What exactly were you expecting from company founded by people who were sending others to gas chambers? That their products will produce less poisonous gas?

 

This is welcome news:

Michael Horn, the head of Volkswagen’s U.S. operations, has dodged the bullet. But while he won’t find himself among the growing list of senior VW executives ousted in the wake of a diesel emissions testing scam, the VW veteran will find himself reporting to a new boss as part of a broader corporate shake-up.​

Source: VW Americas Chief Dodges Bullet | TheDetroitBureau.com

Sometimes people who had nothing to do with corporate fraud suffer unearned harm. I have no animus towards Michael Horn and am sorry he didn't get a boost up to a German executive position.

Bob Wilson

 

perhaps he wasn't willing to 'play ball'.

 

The ICCT that sponsored the study that found the cheating, also has one comparing on road emissions to the regulated limits and test results. Diesels exceeded the limits out in the real world, but some did the petrol cars. So it is entirely possible that the tests simply aren't reflective of how the cars are actually driven.

 

Volkswagen Lawsuit

I saw that class-action lawsuit as an advertisement banner.

 

i've already seen the lawyers pop up here.

 

Yep...already have the VW Lawyer commercials here...right after the one for Mesothelioma.

 

GM must be really happy; who is the bad guy now?

 

nice to have attention focused elsewhere, that's what is so great about todays media.

 

Source: How Much Power Does the VW TDI Lose in "Cheater" Mode? [Video Report] | TFLCar.com: Automotive News, Views and Reviews

	Model	weight	hp	ratio
1	2011 Jetta with cheat off	3197	138.5	23.08 lbs/hp
2	2011 Jetta with cheat on	3197	136.2	23.47 lbs/hp
3	2011 Prius	3042	106	28.70 lbs/hp

Curious, now I wonder if the same shop has also done the ZVW30 Prius?

Bob Wilson

 

... Volkswagen execs got caught flatfooted. Beat to market by Honda and Toyota, finding themselves more than a decade behind in hybrid technology, the only way the Germans could compete circa 2006 was, foisting even more antiquated, over-complicated turbo-Diesels into the marketplace, tweaking emissions, then letting their marketing people run amok portraying them as superior, to hybrid technology.

A motor sport charade, the Germans just plundered hundreds of millions subverting FiA's World Endurance Championship, buying consecutive victories at Le Mans for the specific purpose of imposing sovereignty of Volkswagen's (e.g., Audi) turbo-Diesel technology.

All for naught. No one expected the Prius to be so successful. VW execs gone berserk, cheating emissions just might buy the Germans time sufficient to preserve market share; play catch-up with the Japanese -- Samuel, '04 Ruthiemobile.

 

... duplicate. For some reason, my posts are duplicating, this morning. Nor can I see or access the main forum page - Samuel, '04 Ruthiemobile.

 

vdub did a great job marketing to young people. along with giving them what the wanted, they also gave them what they expected. fortunately, no one else has 'figured out' how to do that. at least that we know of yet.

 

VW Scandal Shows German Companies Are No Longer Big League - SPIEGEL ONLINE

 

What matters is power at the wheels not power at the shaft, that is what they were measuring on the dynoo. The loss of hp was from things like drivetrain friction, and occured both with the emissions on and off. Diesels traditionally do much better than gasoline engines accelearting from an efficient (high) gear. This gives good passing power, and I'm sure that part of the problem is that, going from low rpm and accelerating may have been unacceptable with the emissions control software properly. That is exactly where the defeat added horsepower, not in the peak but where diesel drivers like it.

Here is a prius dyno. Enjoy. I'm not sure how it compares to the vw diesel without defeat.
World's first 2010 Prius Dyno | PriusChat