VW Faces $17B Fine for Emissions Scam

didn't winter corn say he was s s s s sorry?

 

Only after he said he had done nothing wrong.

 

exactly. he is sorry for doing nothing wrong, which, using google translator means.'i'm happy i did something wrong'.

 

He said: "cleaner than diesels" This is the UK’s First Bus Running on Poo-Derived Biomethane

 

No he said he didn't know which was likely. As CEO it was his job to make sure this information got to him. He screwed up by allowing a compartmentalized culture where people would do this and expect to be gone before they got caught. That is almost worse than not knowing. fBeing CEO where people do this and it doesn't get reported. That is terribly wrong.

BP - asked the US government to allow them to do something unsafe, assuring us it was safe. Everyone knew that they were cheating. People died. The british government helped cover up, and bp is still around. They did leaky pipelines and a texas city plant that reuglarly killed people. At least they were finally forced to sell the texas city plant, and marathon runs it without people dieing.

VW cheated on puropse, caused no dealths but faked that clean diesel was clean. BP should have resulted in at least 20 people in prison for manslaughter. They still can build pipelines in the US, and drill. Its much much worse.

VW needs to be punnished, but bp dirrectly resulted in people dieing, and a real environmental crisis that cost much much more.

 

@austingreen Are there environmental laws in Texas? Isn't your governor and assembly policy "what good for business is good enough for people?". EPA is a curse word for Perry, and BP had done nothing wrong in Texas. Maybe in Florida...

 

Don't listen so much to the PRO's (Pelosi/Reid/Obama) as they are as polar opposite a true pro as anything could be. While you're at it avoid huffpo et al as the same plague. Then maybe you'll learn some about Texas like who our governor is etc..

 

Most certainly! after he learns what government agencies are. He knows he needs to get rid of EPA, but what else, nelly?

Rick Perry fails to remember what agency he'd get rid of in GOP debate - CBS News

Just to be clear: we discussing 47th governor of TX, under who's watch BP disaster happened, no?

Or you trying to point out that he has been replaced by Greg Abbott, so we'all should forget and pretend that Rick never existed?

 

Just making sure we weren't on another version of it's Bush's fault.

 

LOL. i hate when that happens to me. if you can't remember it, it won't be missed.

 

did we just take this to fhopol? oh well, i suppose the diesel forum is just another form of freds.

 

No unless Rick is willing to paint it on his predecessor

But seriously you can't have it both ways: if you made your choice you have to except consequences. If you think that choice was wrong then do different one next time.

VW obviously in fault, they broke rules. But if you oppose the agency which made the rules, do you have the right to complain about it? Wouldn't this fall into "german integrity" category too?

EDIT: apologies for bringing another bucket of Freds into this. Let's keep it VW centered.

 

I'm not opposed to the EPA overall, only to their general we're the government double standards and hypocrisy. My main point in this particular thread was that I am not anti diesel engines. I believe they are as capable and acceptable as any other when done properly. I am extremely happy with my Prius decision but was also considering a TDI. I believe I'd have been satisfied with that choice as well although it would have been just prior to these revelations.

 

Well this is good news:

FRANKFURT— Volkswagen AG has put together a plan to refit vehicles in an emission-rigging scandal, the company’s new chief executive said, ahead of what is expected to be a massive recall.

Matthias Müller told managers at Volkswagen headquarters in Wolfsburg that a project team put together “a comprehensive action plan” over the weekend and would inform customers shortly about refitting their vehicles.

On Tuesday, Volkswagen said it will submit its technical solutions to the relevant authorities for approval in October, and set up websites to inform affected customers about their vehicles.
. . . ​

Source: Volkswagen Has Refit Plan For Emissions-Rigged Vehicles, Says CEO - WSJ

Bob Wilson

 

But can the refit from them be trusted?

 

One of the VW cars tested had the urea system. How the Volkswagen Cheating Scandal Was Exposed - Bloomberg Business

Time to de-badge TDIs? Someone is leaving anti-diesel flyers on Volkswagen TDIs in Portland

Autobiography Of BS: How I Lied About The Golf

 

Governor Perry was pretty bad on the environment. The Attorney General under Perry was Greg Abbot, who is the current governor. Abbot did sue the EPA a number of times, but also sued BP a number of times for both texas city refinery and the Horizon spill.

Years Later, Perry Finally Spends BP Spill Gift | The Texas Tribune
Texas sues BP over huge toxic release at Texas City refinery | Need to Know | PBS

The texas refinery and horizon drilling short cutted safety requirements and caused many deaths and environmental damage. The deep water horizon was regulated by the interior department. When Obama became president he vowed to reform it, but did not. This was a crime against texas, but the regulator fault were with the federal government. The department was bad under clinton, got worse under bush, and did not get reformed in time under obama. Perry has done lots of nasty stuff but not this. I don't think you will find many bp friends in texas. Marathon is now running the texas city refinery, and suprise, without bp's mismanagement no one is dying and emergency venting of hazardous material has stopped.

bp, much worse corporate citizen than vw.

vw, fraud, illegal detect device, people should go to jail and massive fines. But not the deaths and environmental havoc of bp.

 

I was going by the following quote from the Telegraph:

VW boss Martin Winterkorn quits, and says: 'I did nothing wrong' - Telegraph

"As CEO I accept responsibility for the irregularities. I am doing this in the interests of the company even though I am not aware of any wrongdoing on my part. This is the only way to win back trust.”

From other German media reporting, the indicators are Winterkorn was the initiator of this fraud, not a disconnected CEO. (See post #450 article)

(I certainly agree with your point about BP.)

 

Well a disconnected CEO that allows that type of thing, has done someting wrong, whether he knew about it or not. He certainly should have been asking the questions after WVU showed VW their data 18 months ago.

I am not at all convinced he was in on it. It just doesn't seem to make much sense. A more probable explanation would be that he deanded that engineering figure out a less expensive way to pass US emissions. People that said they couldn't do it got replaced by people that said they could. I see this on projects all the time. Often the people that say they can do it are just "optimistic", but in this case they did it by cheating in an explicity illegal way. Marketing probably had no idea in 2009, and they started advertising this low cost clean diesel. Now its hard to believe with the number of people probably involved that this didn't trickle up in 2011 or so. The question is for those vw exectutives that found out, why didn't they fix it. With GM's ignition switch, it was 10 years with the very unusual and deadly engineering of changing parts but keeping the same part number, which made it very difficult to tell if a car had a good part or a bad part. most of the people involved were gone, but these worst practices seem to happen a lot in the auto industry.

Hopefully the german's will actually investigate and we will find out how this went on so long.

 

Tell me who is bigger hypocrite? The EPA who caught VW for breaking EPA rules or you, bashing VW for breaking EPA rules, while supporting Rick Perry and his party who wanted to abolish EPA and then calling out EPA for "double standards and hypocrisy".

My point in this particular thread that VW operated by double standards - literally: one set of results for EPA test and another for real world. But do the people who operate by similar double standards: opposing EPA in general either directly or through support of anti-EPA politicians and fractions have a stone to through at VW?