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Vote - Guess the new PiP EV range

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by Redpoint5, Mar 16, 2016.

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How many EPA rated EV miles do you think the new plug-in Prius will have?

  1. Less than 14 (23km)

    2 vote(s)
    2.8%

  2. 14-17 (23-27km)

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%

  3. 18-21 (28-34km)

    24 vote(s)
    33.8%

  4. 22-25 (35-40km)

    20 vote(s)
    28.2%

  5. Greater than 25 (40km)

    24 vote(s)
    33.8%
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  1. Trollbait

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    Cargo space is different from cabin space, and we already seen a 2 cubic foot difference there in the Prius trims. Some of the pack will be under the rear seat. Take out the spare/flat repair kit with accompanying foam, raise the cargo floor 'til it is flat with folded rear seat backs, and there is a bit of space there. The Volt has gone to 35/37 miles of range to 50 while gaining some cabin space.

    I was torn between ti 18-21 and 22-25 choices. Twenty seems to be a good balance for most people between range, space, and cost.
     
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    I suspect they'll use the cargo area instead of under the rear seat. It's possible the 2G PiP will handle differently, not just because of the extra weight but because of where that weight is located in the vehicle. The 4G places the battery low and closer to the centre of the car to improve handling by lowering the centre of gravity. I suspect driving dynamics will be lower down the pole of priority for the 2G PiP.
     
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    i have a feeling the big surprise is going to be air batteries.
     
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    Would a non-hybrid Prius still be a Prius?
    Hmmmmmm.......
    If you take away the Traction battery then it's just another FWD hatch.
    If you take away the ICE, then it's a plus-sized LEAF.
    Add a plug, and you could argue that it's an enhanced Prius.

    JMHO... ;)
     
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    No law stating a traction pack has to be a single unit in the car. With TNGA, they might be able to open up the under seat area to the cargo one.

    Like Al-air? Those are primary batteries; ones that can't be recharged. The anodes are replaced and the reactant slurry removed in order to replenish them. They would replace the ICE on a Prius PHEV as the range extender.

    Aside from the ben1 P-PHEV and the Accord PHEV, all the short EV range PHEVs are power hybrids. I wouldn't race that BMW with the current P-PHEV.

    Toyota marketing will find an explanation to label a BEV with HSD. They did with the Mirai.:rolleyes:
     
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    I don't see any point in building the car without at least 25 miles of EV range, and I think they should offer 30. The ten mile range of my car isn't worth it.
     
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    A reasonably priced PHEV that can do all EV range for commuting and best ICE mpg would be a winner. The PiP needs to get an EV range of 25+ miles round trip (if no place to charge at work) to be that car for at least half of commuters here in the States.
     
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    JC08 Japanese test cycle current 4.4 kwh Prius PHV range is 26.4 km.
    If 8 Kwh/50 km is true, then Choice C; ~18-21 miles, upload_2016-3-18_19-9-50.png upload_2016-3-18_19-14-56.png プリウスphv 新型 価格はどうなる？
     
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    Compare Side-by-Side

    PIP: 29 kWh/100mi
    Accord 6.7-kWh / 13 miles/29 kWh/100mi
    Fusion 7.6 kWh / 20 miles/37 kWh/100mi
    sonata 9.8 kWh / 27 miles/34 kWh/100mi
     
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    That is true. I wonder what the advantage would be of a split pack (like the prototype PiP) vs. a single large pack. Perhaps less weight on the single pack since you have one larger casing vs. 2 or 3 individually cased batteries but better packaging options with a split pack.
     
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    better balance?
     
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    I don't think that 100mi range is practical. Besides the high cost, at some point the added weight burdens fuel economy. And PiP has excellent (gasoline) fuel economy. I'd still like to see 3x the battery capacity, which will give a practical 30 mile range.
     
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    Packaging and weight balance goes to the split pack.

    Single pack is likely lower cost. Easier to plumb if using liquid thermal control. It could be lighter, but if using air flow for cooling the weight savings could be lost as you need to allow more space to counter the lower surface area of a large single pack vs. one split up.
     
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    It is how many KWh to drive 100 miles!

    Every kilowatt-hour of battery storage adds three to four miles of electric range.
     
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    If Toyota wants greater reliance on the battery (to compete with the Volt or Ford's Energi line up), I'm guessing liquid cooling is the better solution? It requires less space and I'm guessing better thermal regulation than air cooling?
     
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    Gaters? or no income tax ..... ;)
     
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    weather, but what do you know, out there in eden?:cool:
     
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    What range would get you to buy another one?
     
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