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Transaxle Failure

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by dailyphotofix, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. qbee42

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    The nice thing about working outside in the cold is that when you cut your knuckles, they don't bleed until you get inside and warm up. :D

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    Pah, it's not cold until you drop a spanner and it breaks, now that's cold.
     
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    I know you'll be pretty busy but I am interested in the axle seals and evidence of dirt/grit having gotten in via that path.

    The reason is oil testing has shown two distinct patterns of elevated Si / Al. We know some of the Si comes from leaching the case sealant. However, there are three samples from dusty areas that show elevated Si / Al levels. The hypothesis offered by the testing service is possible dirt/grit contamination.

    Thanks,
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    Great work, and glad you stopped by Claremont. I used to hang out with those guys :)
     
  6. dailyphotofix

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    I did not see much dirt in those areas...but I will take a closer look tomorrow, and I will take some photos of that area for you.
     
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    Update:

    Major progress today!

    Axles pulled off. The grease has turned to liquid in the boots.
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    I just unbolted the brake assembly and set it aside with the axle...much easier than pulling it off the axle as the instructions called for.
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    Another drive shaft/axle shot.
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    Its coming apart!
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    We took the bracket off the top end and it is going down quite smoothly.
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    It basically fell off once the bolts were out.
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    There it is! Out of the car.
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    Its a heavy sucker...
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    Torque Limiter/Axle Dampener...whatever you like to call it. Everyone has a different name for it.
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    I measured the Dampener and Checked the torque...it all checked out fine, no sight of unusual wear at least that I could see.
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    This is the spot I thought was leaking...
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    New Transaxle going in!
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    Had to be careful not to stretch the brake lines...
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    I pulled the crossmember off to get the transaxle in. The instructions called for it to be pulled in the beginning, but I did not do it at first because I thought it would be a major deal. It ended up only being 4 bolts.
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    It was a long day...10 hours. I am beat, but it is almost done!

    Tomorrow I just need to attach the axles (I just picked up new CV grease today) and throw the inverter in and I will be done!

    Not a bad job. Now hopefully it will work!!!
     
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    Job mostly done but where are the pictures of bleeding knuckles, grunting, sweating and blue hands? :)
     
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    I stickied the thread yesterday b/c it's just too good not to be sure everyone sees it. Great job on the photos and great progress. I know priority #1 is to fix the car and get the new transaxle tested. But I can't wait to see the old one and what damage there is.

    I need to bring popcorn next time this thread is updated!:popcorn:
     
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    My local tip has an oil recycling collection. It is reprocessed to make lube and heat oils.
     
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    did you not take apart the old transmission to see if there is anything wrong there?
    or are you still going to do that
     
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    Excellent progress and a 10 hour day!

    Looking at this photo, the parking paw motor assembly is larger than I thought it would be:
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    So the driver side (vehicle left hand side) seal failed filling the boot with transaxle oil:
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    Then normal road dirt mixed with the transaxle oil in the boot and simply passed back into the transaxle when it cooled. With the NHW11, there is a one-way, vent plug that lets the air out when the transaxle heats up. When it cools, the vent closes and having a negative pressure, it would suck in the oil-dirt back in from the boot.

    You might want to check the dimensions of the driver side shaft. The oil/dirt/grit mixture probably worked like a lapping compound with what remained of the shaft seal. Given the likely need for a tight seal, you may want to consider a replacement shaft. For sure, look for any surface imprefections that might have hassened the failure.

    Great work and photos! Thanks!

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I can't understand how trans oil gets into the CV joints?
     
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    Thanks for sharing the photos and congratulations on making so much progress on Saturday. It is raining here in OC as of this writing, hope that you don't have too much snow falling in your area.

    If you are planning to rebuild the axle that fell apart, that demonstrates ability that goes well beyond average. I think that most would probably just buy a new or salvage axleshaft assembly.

    I'm glad that you made so much progress without incurring injury, hope that you'll find your car is running smoothly with a new transaxle.

    While the engine air filter housing is off, may I suggest that you look at the throttle body interior and throttle plate and clean any black soot off those parts. You can rotate the spring-loaded throttle shaft when the car is IG-OFF. This is a common problem area resulting in engine nostart issues.
     
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    The input damper clutch was mentioned early in this thread, and
    there's nothing obviously wrong in your pictures of it. Interestingly,
    yours seems to have plain white plastic spring seats rather than the
    colored ones; compare your IMG_6995.JPG versus this shot from one
    of the training runs [which admittedly is of a Classis transaxle
    instead, maybe the part actually changed in the NHW20]. Can you
    see any "clutch dust" around there that would indicate that it was
    slipping or misbehaving? Normally it's probably supposed to not
    slip at all or only during unusual torque transitions between engine
    and driveline, and it would probably have to be in pretty rough shape
    to trigger severe enough rev mismatches between engine and the MGs
    to throw a code. The surrounding flange from your old transaxle
    seems pretty clean, where if this thing was a real clutch in the
    traditional sense you'd probably have a thick coating of dust there.
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    Fascinating stuff. Your work area is starting to look like a murder
    scene with all the reddish-pink splatter around... I guess there's
    no way this can't be a messy job for the most part.
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    How were your CV boots? Any chance of the proposed dirt ingestion
    having come through the axle seals, which do seem like a fairly
    vulnerable part in the right rough conditions?
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    By the way, if you were to save your resized pix at 90% quality instead
    of the maximum you're using now, you could halve their file-sizes with
    little or no degradation in visual quality, esp. for this purpose. They
    would then download faster...
    .
    _H*
     
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    Keep those photos coming. Excellent work!
     
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    Good news! The car is up and running! I finished everything up this afternoon around 2:00. I drove it about 50 miles tonight and it workes gloriously. I will have a full update with photos tomorrow afternoon. I do not have time right now, I just thought I would share the good news. Not bad for a 2 day job! (2 half days and a full)
     
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    Wonderful! Sounds great!

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    i wonder how the ratio of quoted cost to have a mechanic do the job to the cost if you were paid your normal hourly rate of pay to do it would look?
    Good on you for getting that done! Great to hear it's running well, I bet when your driving it you feel proud!
     
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    It's been quiet here for a few days. I wonder if Bob is having probs with the new transaxle?