I have no idea about the orange. It took me 2 or 3 minutes before I figured out how the sensor worked. Have you driven a Tesla with AP? Best to try one first to see how it works. Mike
Been in one, and impressed, but not driven myself yet. Here is the debunking of the now YouTube deleted tesla Orange video: Seems to show that pressure itself on the wheel is what was keeping (alleged now) the Autopilot engaged. The debunking video came later, so it is conceivable that Tesla reprogrammed AP to not let produce take control of a car? "Tesla Orange" still shows the now deleted splash picture for the original video. The original wasn't in a 3, but an S, so I wonder why Ben didn't try this in the same model. Read the comments, and they blast him on his testing methods.
My backup car, 2014 BMW i3-REx has ‘magiceye’ technology and alerts on some overhead signs at night. Yes, I am using the $3k AutoPilot. I am curious about the full function version but not $10k curious. Bob Wilson
$3K actually isn't a bad price for AP, and it actually FUNCTIONS much the same as it's name sake, since no pilot with a 3-digit IQ would let George fly the plane while they caught a nap back in the cabin. If they offered this option in a more reasonably priced car it would be a no-brainer, and with the tumbling prices of electronics and sensors car makers will use this tech more and more going forward. This July will mark the 70th anniversary since the world's first commercial jet airliner was first flown. Within 12 months of entering service, three of those airliners would be lost due to things not yet understood when they were developed. And yet....people presume that it's safer now to fly than it is to drive to the airport. Modernity (and lawyers) now insist that human lives be spent a little more sparingly when pushing up against the boundaries of our limits, but the price of admission has always been high. Today we just amortize those lives a little differently. L5 is going to happen. No....not in 2020 but probably faster than people think. If we were a patient species, we'd still be limited to bipedal transport....
I have not seen this video. However, my guess is that the orange was not dead center on the steering wheel. Adding weight to the wheel, as long as it isn't perfectly centered, will add torque, even if it isn't enough torque to turn the wheel.
another video I haven't seen that was recently posted on TMC regarding invisible semi-trailers was this - a guy's tesla nearly sending him underneath - only this was running parallel alongside the trailer; His post stated that he took over, disengaged AP just as his side view mirror was passing underneath. Further discussion in the thread was that when AP is disengaged under these suspicious circumstances, the video is a uplinked to Tesla. .
There is a light-strip that with the shadows looks like a potential lane marker on the far side. Using the lane-split steering AP would steer into the trailer. Bob Wilson
Simple logic explains why the orange trick is nonsense. If the steering wheel required pressure, then there would have to be a dozens sensors all around on the wheel to detect any possible place to grab it. With a torque sensor there only needs to be one (or two). Plus when you drive it you can apply torque without any pressure (use a single finger to push on the cross members) and you get the warning to go away. You can also squeeze as much as you like and you still get the warning. Hilarious that these guys spent so much time with all the different fruit choices and didn't bother to figure out how it actually works. This is what happens when you are social media driven rather than engineering minded. Mike
I'm so used to technical talk, I was initially surprised when the moderators at Tesla Motors Club allowed a lot of personal and useless comments attacking my post sharing AP handling some micro-sleeps, a good thing. Apparently they allow attacking the messenger: idiot, dangerous, . . . - addressed to me read the manual - there is at least one or more OCD who will "interpret" the Owner's Manual Except to tease them, I'm reluctant to share my observations. Like poking an anthill, the usual suspects swarm out of the nest. <grins> Bob Wilson
iirc - even here, things got nasty a decade or more ago - back in the days of trying to dialogue unintended acceleration .... or disadvantages of NOT having a backup camera. Overzealous Fanboy-ism gone wild. .
I use the 'two shovels' method. Take a big scoop of one hill and swap it with a big scoop from another one and let them sort it out. No chemicals. No cost - if you already have the shovels.
I used to watch and enjoy Ben Sullens' videos in the beginning, but then he got weird with "fame" like so many Youtube bandits. I don't even bother with his videos anymore.
Bob, you are being self-serving and not objective. I followed along on that thread anonymously and did not post. You were doing things that the Owners Manual specifically warned you not to do. As far as just "experimenting", others had already experimented and posted results. There are members on TMC that have way more experience with Teslas than you and I do put together. You would have found them had you preformed a search. In my opinion, you were doing things that were potentially dangerous to yourself and others around you (just as Ben Sullens was doing with his orange experiment). As far as moderating, there are not enough moderators to review every one of the thousands of posts on a daily basis on TMC. Just like Prius Chat, posts are generally only reviewed when a "report" is sent. I don't intend to relitigate this issue on this forum.
misses the point. The nasty judgmental indignant blowback is/was the epitome of hypocrisy. Who Among Us hasn't looked away to fiddle with the car's knobs too long, or gone a few miles over the speed limit, or had 'just 1 drink', or made a rolling stop, or followed too close, or brake checked someone, or sped up to not let the jerk in who is cutting everyone off, or tried to make that yellow light, or merged/nearly merged into an adjacent lane where a car already is, or any of a dozen other things. Was hoping someone would post on TMC, something to the effect, ".... in the same way you judge judge others, you will be judged, & w/ the same measure you use, it will be measured to you ...." Yea - hopefully their karma won't be as horrible as some of the crud they were dishing out. .
You miss the point. Bob was doing something he was specifically told in the Owners Manual not to do. The fact that some others do things intentionally they shouldn't (and that doesn't include everyone despite what you say) does not justify the act. Again, I am not going to relitigate this on Prius Chat. I have given my viewpoint on what Bob gave as the incomplete story and I am moving on.
Calm my friends. I've updated my signature over there: 2019 Std. Range Plus Model 3 - 134 eMPG || 2014 BMW i3-REx - 180 eMPG, 40 MPG JuiceBox 40 Pro (240 VAC, 40 A), KHONS portable (120-240 VAC, 12-32 A) Retired engineer, Huntsville, AL (five times AutoPilot saved.) Every time someone wants to bring up their opinion, I'll answer "Thanks, have you seen my signature?" The stilly thing was the false claim that I deliberately went out to test 'micro-sleeps.' Anyone making that false claim will enjoy my wit. I'm not in the business of trying to 'correct the Internet'. If others wish to ignore the results of an unplanned experiment . . . it is their problem. What gets me are the bald faced liars who claim they can't figure out who I am to 'turn me in' to the authorities. <GRINS> BTW, I was in Jackson MS going to the SuperCharger station at ~1:30 AM Wednesday morning when I ran into a road block 'checking drivers licenses and insurance.' Admiring my wife's three dogs, after looking at my Alabama driver's license, he waved me on without waiting for the insurance card. He didn't have me take a 'micro-sleep' test ... dummies. BTW, there is a new version of the Owner's Manual with: Created: 12/20/18, 5:24:14 PM Modified: 3/18/19, 5:37:46 PM There is no 'change log' more search find any reference to "micro-sleep." So I'm free and clear. <GRINS> BTW, I am not impressed with a reference to the Owner's Manual that does not cite the "pp." as this is the mark of a lazy, liar, who seems to think it will intimate anyone. In the Marine Corps we called them something that also refers to a Felidae, Carnuvora, or a "p*ssy". Bob Wilson
Perhaps you did not read my first post in the thread, https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/3651209/: Basic Autopilot In a rush, I left my electric razor and Continuous Positive Airway Pressure (CPAP) machine at home. In a world of disposables, the razor was easily fixed (Barbasol still tastes crappy) but a CPAP is not an off the shelf item. Used to treat sleep apnea, it ensures my sleep is not interrupted by short airway blockages. Then my wife spent seven days in the hospital. Easily confused by strangers, my presence anchors her in a safer reality to avoid more aggressive restraints. But her 24 hour care requires my sleeping in that abomination called a 'reclining chair.' It has two positions, seat parallel to floor or raised ~20 degree back. There is an extendable leg lift but the 90 degree, seat-to-back angle is fixed. Reclined, it is like sleeping in a bucket with the legs and knees above the rim. To mitigate, I filled the seat-to-back hole with spare sheets, blankets, and a pillow filler so I can 'cat nap' and be available to help the staff. My wife was discharged after IV antibiotics reduced the hand swelling and pain. So I took a nap at my Mom's home, packed the car, and we were off to home in Huntsville. 'Micro sleep' is a thing that my narcoleptic wife (and late aunt) suffered. Involuntarily, the victim goes to sleep for 2-5 seconds with no warning and the most effective treatment is uninterrupted sleep. After seven days cat napping in a bucket chair and one post release nap, I was primed. Tesla's Autopilot has dynamic cruise control and automatic emergency braking to avoid running into things. The optical and ultrasonic sensor based, lane steering keeps the car from darting into a ditch or into on-coming traffic. It was on the leg to Decatur there were at least five micro sleep events that I was aware of and Autopilot kept us safe. I stopped in Decatur for a pee, stretch, and coffee break before driving the last 20 miles home. Micro sleeps are involuntary and detected only when the individual recognizes having woken up. When driving, it becomes either a head-on collision or single car accident. Autopilot gives them a chance to survive. Home again, I have my CPAP sleeping aid, my wife has her dogs, and me in familiar settings. Life has returned to what passes for normal ... but it is life thanks to Tesla's Autopilot. At one time, I had to "ignore" your account because your posting style was so poor that it was convincing me that Tesla owners were such *ssholes. But I soon realized it was not the technology fault, but a few who would be just as rude and crude regardless of their favorite ride. Obviously, after buying my Standard Range Plus Model 3 (SR+M3), I've become more tolerant of 'Internet noise.' So let's run an experiment, an IQ test. Where is the term "micro sleep" found in the Tesla Owner's Manual? Which version are you using? Unlike you, I've read the Owner's Manual, both versions ... several times as there is a lot of information not in them. Today was my first on software version 16.2 after running 8.5. So far, the weaknesses of dealing with 'one lane into two' remains. Also, some of the AutoPilot steering behavior seems like a student driver. Understand I have no interest in the Navigate on AutoPilot until my car gets the next processor, ~$10k. Lessons learned under 8.5 remain valuable today. Inspite of your postings, the SR+M3 in my hands has turned out to be the best car we've ever owned. Cross country travel is affordable and easily allows us to take my wife's three dogs. In a terrible traffic jam, AutoPilot handles the frustration of creeping, stop-and-go traffic. We got the car March 26 and already have 6,568 miles on it and plans for a grand tour of the lower 48. Energy management is similar to my 1966 VW MicroBus. As for the unenlightened at Tesla Motors Club, let the lessons begin. Bob Wilson
Amusing, some of the posters remain silent about AutoPilot safety capabilities to instead post their bile at my postings. Their stimulus triggers my response of another post about AutoPilot technology. I wonder how long (if ever) it will take for them to get a clue? Perhaps you remember my Prius 'out of gas' experiments that were met with a flood of personal attacks. If not a sin, some suggested running out of gas should be illegal (and claimed some EU countries have such laws.) Ultimately, it didn't matter because personal attacks bring no insights about the technology. It is a waste of their time. Bob Wilson
