How do you know what the employees at Telsa drive? Do you have insider information Tesla Model 3 production in 2018 so far
Is he desperate or just lost his mind, Tesla who prices vehicles in the same range of Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, Mercedes, is building their $80k car in a tent, with an assembly line made out of scrap! Per Elon its way better then their Million dollar assembly lines!
No you have not engaged in personal or ad hominem attacks but I believe some people find your passion for Tesla a bit too blunt. In other words, your good intentions of clearing misconceptions and squashing FUD comes across as a bit inelegant. We know what you mean but sometimes on a forum, the tone can be read differently. It's possible that you have a strong personality and remember, we know nothing about you because we haven't heard you speak. We can only interpret what you mean through your posts. For example, saying "PriusChat can ban me anytime but if they do it's a form of censorship" (I'm paraphasing but I think I got the intent). Saying things like this (i.e. assuming if anything is done against you, it's in the form of a negative or hostile in nature) isn't having a discussion. It's basically imprinting your opinion upon others and those that disagree are misguided at best and flat out wrong at the worst.
Okay, found it. Yes, that article was written by Business Insider which has a history of doing hit pieces on Tesla. With regards to the issues raised in that article: They do not say when the 6000 produced "June" number was calculated - first week?, second week? - the article was published on June 19. The current guesstimate for model 3 production at the end of June is around 18K cars, ramping up to 22K/25K by the end of Q3. Tesla is controlling production right now so they don't exceed 200K US deliveries prior to the end of June, 2018. This strategy will extend the maximum Federal tax credit of $7500 to Dec. 31, 2018. It is speculated that the new assembly line is dedicated to building their new, $78K, performance all wheel drive model 3, at least on a temporary basis. Tesla suffered some major sabotage on their assembly line a couple of weeks ago which caused a temporary shutdown. How long, Tesla hasn't said. The perpetrator has been caught and confessed to the deed. The investigation continues. Building a "tent" for production is hailed by many production engineers as a brilliant way to increase production with minimum cost. Whether that tent will be permanent or temporary is undetermined at this time. Tesla has used some left over, unused tooling to build their new assembly line. Some people have used the word "scrap" for these parts, but that is simply not true. Business Insider insider sources have never been documented. Tesla has neither confirmed nor denied B.I.s reporting. Regarding a $78K model 3, speed costs money, how fast do you want to go? Evidently there is a subgroup of people who want to go $78K fast in a medium size family sedan (I am not one of them). The $78K model 3 will beat the pants off of any comparable Lexus. Infiniti, BMW, or MBZ. I have no insider information on Tesla. With such a large workforce, I speculate that the demographics would fall within typical parameters.
If news articles state the facts and those facts cast a negative shadow over the company, product or future, then it is considered that the author is out to get Tesla. I think facts speak for themselves. Your being overly optimistic if you think 18k cars will be built in one month. Is Tesla controlling production? Looks more like production hell is controlling Tesla. The tent assembly line is dedicated to the new AWD model 3. But out put has been slow/low. 2 fires, no fire department or police called And now a saboteur. Talk about bad luck! What engineers are hailing the tent building? What I have read the auto industry is shocked by this, it's way outside the box! No pun intended The new assembly line is made out of scrap, Elon tweeted this himself. The fact of the matter is that Elon has too much on his plate. He needs to focus on one product at a time and get that product made and working perfectly.
Well depending on your interpretation, I may have been personally attacked in a prior post in another thread. (Consider the use of "you" in the opening remarks) I decided to let it slide in that case. I like the way you put it- blunt and inelegant. But that's public forums for you, and it's familiar turf for me though I am new to this particular forum. For the record I'm not looking to get anyone banned. I've been interested in hybrid cars since they were announced to the world, and I'm curious about electric cars as well. We bought our first hybrid a month ago and we're off to a great start. I enjoy reading other peoples' impressions and viewpoints on these topics, even if they show up awkwardly packaged. No battery-electric car currently suits our travel demands, but one might someday. At this rate it probably won't be a Tesla. We drive mass-market cars and apart from that I simply don't like the designs they've come up with. But I love a good underdog manufacturing drama. I love the idea that such cars are at least somewhat available, and I sincerely hope Tesla's efforts will inspire somebody else to build an electric car which supports my family's needs and preferences.
Please inform us of what you do for a living to make you an expert on car manufacturing. Also, if Tesla didn't think outside the box I wouldn't be invested and we wouldn't have as amazing of cars as what we do. True innovation requires risk (and at times, failure).
Orenji, you are taking hit pieces and assuming they are fact. Your entire post all rests on a single assumption, “If news articles state the facts...”. Some do, but some don’t. Remember the ‘news stories’ about the disastrous nickel mine that was Toyota’s fault? Obviously that was a fabrication. Assuming it was true was a grievous mistake made by some. Likewise, I also don’t believe numbers such as 18k Model 3 produced reports. I simply don’t have the information I need to support that. How much did the vandalism slow down the battery production? How much did the fires slow down the production? If Tesla produced straight through the month, I would about 14,000 units produced. You seem to go out of your way to consider any tabloid type hit piece as gospel, and disbelieve anything coming out of the company. I’m just fine waiting and seeing what happens while my and my wife drive around in the most enjoyable and efficient cars we have ever owned
Here is an article by BEV advocate Fred Lambert. He is another person who doesn't mince his words. Specifically, I favor tough Federal standard clean air goals rather than a piecemeal approach by individual States. But since the current Administration is supporting the oil industry and traditional ICE car makers by lowering standards, I am proud to be a resident of California which is leading the way for other progressive States to set their own comprehensive clean air standards. Finally, I agree with Fred when he says, "the public needs to stop buying gasoline-powered cars. Entirely." Colorado punches back against EPA will require higher standards like California
I have long admired the efficacy of California's state-level efforts in automotive pollution control. Though there have also been many situations where it looked like the tail was wagging the dog, the clean air benefits have been quite real. On the other had, I have difficulty understanding why California cities still allow small gasoline engines for outdoor power tools. It seems incongruous, given the high levels of pollution emitted from such engines.
California has tackled the biggest problems first. The air quality has improved significantly in the last 8 years under the leadership of Governor Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown. I agree that California can do even more by restricting ICE small tools. However, it appears that consumers in California are embracing the use of battery and electric small power tools as a matter of convenience if not pollution, both air and noise. This is the way I would prefer that restrictions be applied, by voluntary compliance rather than government mandates. Unfortunately, this, voluntary compliance, does not seem to be happening quickly enough in the auto industry as air quality and climate deteriorates at alarming rates in much of the US and around the world. Hopefully Tesla and other car makers can provide compelling BEVs so that it won't be necessary for additional government regulations. The same goes for small tool makers.
I am similarly encouraged by the voluntary uptake of electric power tools. I would point out that they seem to have come much closer to parity with their gas-powered counterparts than can be said for automobiles. Outdoor power tools are much, much lower hanging fruit than automobiles. My experience is that the tools offered so far are a little underpowered and underbuilt, but maybe not by much. Of crucial importance- they are arriving with competitive pricetags. That part looks to be further in the future for automakers. I'd like an electric car, but I want it to be very much like my current gas car: Purchased secondhand at age 3 or 4 with 8+ years of future utility remaining assuming normal maintenance. $12-15k. When that market comes, I'll be ready. Until then, I've focused my eco interests in other directions. If I can get a car's worth of emissions* out of the air by selecting one $300 lawnmower over another $300 lawnmower, it's no contest. I think that's why you're seeing a bigger voluntary uptake on this gear. The clean running and convenient features of electric are real, but meaningless until the price is equalized. *small gas engines are popularly cited as producing as much pollution as a car, but I didn't bring a set of flash cards.
Didn't say it was THE answer to the world's problems (aside from energy independence), but I know that H2 ain't. EDIT: And your latest posts echoing FUD show that you do have a disdain for Tesla. OBTW, Panasonic, Nissan, Toyota, and Honda have announced the formation of a coalition to speed the development of solid state batteries for a commercial release in 2022 (to try to gain back an edge since China has taken over in lithium ion production in the last 4 years). *That's* how confident they are in the future of H2.
Hmm....this looks interesting. Building cars under a tent?? Now that's a new one! The Future of Tesla Hinges on This Gigantic Tent - Bloomberg Tesla's Tent Put to the Test as Time Runs Out for Musk – Bloomberg
Gotta do what it takes sometimes. I wish every company was as resourceful and innovative as Tesla. The world would be a better place. And btw...it's disgusting how click-baity articles are these days. Elon is not wrong about the state of media currently.
If you're still paying for the cable "news" networks, you're part of the problem. Severe that cable. Turn those ad blockers on when visiting their garbage sites.
