Toyota Owners Jump Ship to Tesla

Ya can't get a Model 3 (only selling $50k+ model with toys like my Prime, and you still have to wait forever). And my Prime Advanced currently gets 4700 miles on 8.6 gals of gas, and my Prime has more toys, and my Prime is bulletproof reliable and my Prime is being whored out cheap by dealers and Toyota giving huge discounts, and California giving yuuuuuge rebates. Etc., etc., etc.!! I'm just not a BEV kinda guy, with the current infrastructure and other reliability PROBLEMS (issues are magazines!). Us po folks gotta buy sumpin' that'll git us thar!! We don't need no problem puppies, which is why we keep away from GM, Ford, and Fiat Chrysler. Tesla is intriguing, but not yet, and not for this cheapskate! I'm a Prime Man, ta da da ta ta ta, I'm a Prime Man!!♩

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Yes, let's do go there and compare.

A base model 3 @ $35K will be available this Fall

A model 3 will get 100K miles and more for zero gasoline

The model 3 has far more toys than a Prius

Tesla has higher customer satisfaction than the Toyota. The only thing that comes close is Lexus

That's because Toyota doesn't have a 500K waiting list for their cars

Tesla qualifies for the same rebates and tax credits and more.

Then why are you on the Tesla sub-forum?

Penny wise and pound foolish?

 

Am here because of statements made challenging the Prime Advanced which, as much as wishful thinking by others promoting the Tesla alternative, is currently VASTLY less expensive, and more available than alternatives offered. And owner loyalty does not assure reliability. The fact remains that Toyota, particularly the Prius and Prime, remain one of the MOST reliable volume vehicles sold (and AVAILABLE!) today. "A base model 3 @35k will be available this fall": Promises, promises, promises! I don't care about 6 months or a year from now; I bought my Prime a year and a half ago!

Oh, and yes, as weird looking as it is, it's looks are growing on me, and I LOVE my Prime! Let's talk again in 4 years, if I haven't croaked, and I'm ready to buy a new car! The marketplace should be really interesting!!

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What statements would those be?

 

In your last post.

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Not biting on that bait.

Instead, state goals.

 

What statements did I make that were not true? You're being obtuse.

 

State your goals then. Who is baiting who?

 

Pricing claims, availability claims, implied greater reliability. Just read what I said; it's true. We obviously don't agree, and your statements don't coincide with facts that I've experienced or read about from reliable sources.

By the way, per Consumer Reports, of the 20 most reliable cars sold in the last 10 years, Toyota occupies 15 places, including the top 3 MOST reliable, of which the Prius is #2. Modern households have about the same number of Chevrolet, Ford, and Toyota vehicles. Based on these statistics Toyota IS the MOST reliable car sold in the U.S.; this is one of the MAJOR reasons I purchased the Prime for my single car.

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anytime you mention toyota in the priuschat tesla forum, you're gonna hear from owners.

 

If you want Acceleration drive a Lexus. Prius was never intended to be a performance car. But with a few suspension upgrades it can out do many faster cars on the track.

 

I already have... countless times now. They haven't changed in the past 18 years either... to significantly reduce emissions & consumption in a reliable & cost-effective manner. That means I call of those who misrepresent the needs of mainstream buyers. There's nothing wrong with supporting something you believe in, but if it's different from what ordinary consumers will care about, expect attention to be drawn to that fact. In this case, Tesla is a great car that simply isn't something you'll be able to most everyone we know to seriously consider for purchase.

How many people where you work would even be remotely interested in any type of plug-in vehicle now, in 2018? Most choices are just plain not realistic. When tax-credit phaseout begins, that situation is going to become even more of a grim outlook. That's a fact, nothing which can be debated. True, it will change over the course of the next few years, but that's not what you just tried to present... hence the request for goals.

Think about how few of your friends could just jump into the deep end without any hesitation. Installing a 7.7 kW charger connected to a dedicated 40-amp line in their garage is too much for most... and that's just a minimum for plug-in vehicles with 200-mile ranges. How many households have more than just 1 vehicle? Upgrades at home to accommodate recharging take time & money.​

Prius Prime is extremely realistic for serious consideration in 2018. Toyota's well proven tech is now offered in an affordable package. You don't need anything more than a normal 120-volt outlet to greatly benefit from it either. This is the first plug-in hybrid to be realistic competition directly against traditional vehicles without any subsidy.

I watched both generations of Volt fail miserably, based on the sales goals we were told to expect. They were to "leapfrog Prius" with its "vastly superior" technology. That most definitely did not happen. Being able to change the status quo is remarkably difficult. Impressive engineering from GM or Tesla or even Toyota isn't enough. Careful consideration of need is required. Appealing to want just plain does not work outside of the enthusiast audience. Mainstream consumers have very different priorities.

What are your goals?

 

Ah but Mr. orenji,
Ask and ye shall receive! Just because they can make a reliable, efficient, reasonably priced car, doesn't mean they can't make it REALLY fun to drive. My big peeve is WEIGHT!! Yes that much lighter car will cost a premium but I'd pay extra for that "Fun Factor". Engineers should be challenged to keep cars fun; I think that was the mindset behind my 1969 Alfa Romeos, which were reliable, nimble, light and fast, as well as fuel efficient! With all the hours I continue to spend in cars, I still seek out the Fun Factor!

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Was there ever an Alfa Romeo that was reliable?
That's was all good back in the day when gas was less then $1.00. They have a G Prius in Japan, that is a very sporty version we don't get here. But there are a few here that have built their owners.

 

Lexus? no no no... I'll admit they accelerate properly but they're stuffed with technogarbage and 300lbs of bonus plastic to support "luxury," only available in sleepy indecisive colors and the pricetag is way up there.

Why not an electric Celica or Supra revival? Get a modding culture sprouted and they can grow some young enthusiasts and hang on to them until they need minivans.

Read another way: an electric alternative to the Nissan Z or Subaru STi. A proper hoon car for track day or being young and silly.

 

Who?

The tax-credit wasn't available until January 1, 2006... which was after the 100,000 annual sales rate had already been achieved. So, that's hardly anything you could call "early" in any respect. In fact, I was 6.5 years into ownership at that point. If you are talking about HOV privileges, that's something isolated to particular locations. Nothing like that ever existed here in fly-over country. The reason sales continued is because Prius delivers a well-rounded balance of value.

But back to the question, who?

 

Acura already has it and it's called NSX. Not a big seller. Pretty much priced as an exotic. Supra is coming out soon. Maybe a hybrid system.