Thoughts on new Master Plan?

well, let's try & be a little merciful now ... after all - orenj is (albeit fancifully) committed to - & needs to grasp at any & every hopeful - causal connection between ev costs & hydrogen that can ever be thrown out there ... all the while discounting hydrogen's tremendous costs & CO2 pollution. So he's got to take a stab at the better EV tech, where ever he can. That's a tough row to hoe, as the farmer would say ... especially as Toyota begins to see the error of their ways . . . even in the midst of temporarily low natural gas prices - which are the only temporary salvation of hydrogen reformation costs. He can't see how important oil companies find continued use of their natural gas products ... so try & show a bit of grace, if you can.

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isn't government motors committed to fcev?

 

They're cutting their losses by partnering/spreading their losses with some other manufacturer. But on a healthier note, they're not publishing ads - that say plugins are stupid because they're only for owners that have 4 hours to waste.

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why don't you buy one then.

 

Got one . . . nearly 70k miles on it ... Gotta use CHAdeMO's if i need to go anywhere that's too far away - but it'll last till the next ride becomes available.

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well, i know it's not an ev1.

 

I think SoCal only has 5 or 6 public paddle Chargers left around here that the ev1 & the Gen 1 RAV4's (and chevyS10 ev's) still use. Good to see all the other formats still growing.
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I try to do all this, but then I'm reminded of the price per H2 station and just how much public money that requires since the big advocates have little intention of fronting the cost.

 

GM is .........

 

That may be true, but Toyota has the funds for this type of negative financial hit, Tesla does not have the funds like Toyota does.

 

The other partner is Honda.

 

Bailing out a relatively small company like Tesla would be cheap compared to the billions needed to built hydrogen infrastructure across the US.

They once were, and then they went bankrupt. They've since backed off on the amount they spend on fuel cell research, and partnered with Honda to share the costs going forward. Hyundai might be the only company left going alone on FCEVs. Even Toyota has a FCEV partnership with BMW, but that may not last as the hydrogen appeal is losing its luster to the Germans.

 

how long will cali cling to their dream?

 

That dream is just the fc lobbys'. And if you know what i mean - it's all wet. Double entendre intended. But in the future? Who knows. Maybe in "just 10 more years". At least that's what my Magic 8-Ball tells me.
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i don't understand, if cali and/or the feds are handing out cash, why aren't all the manufacturers as excited as toyota? who turns down free handouts?

 

Free cash only goes so far. GM thought investing that free cash with theirs for fuel cells meant they didn't have to make an honest effort on hybrid cars. Then, to repeat, they went bankrupt.


I think the majority of the hand outs is now coming from the Japanese government at this time.

 

My guess - even with incentives, the Cars are way too expensive for the average person, & the fuel is way too expensive for the average person, and the infrastructure is way too expensive. Even w/free money - those who have a stake in the game don't want to get in over their head with their own assets - when it can easily leave them in the lurch.
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someone is building a few nationwide refueling stations, no?

 

I know there's supposedly at least one or two on the east coast (maybe plans for a few more?) and a handful in California. Of course there are those 9 or 10 states ( turning on your route) that you have to cross to get to one coast or the other. I suppose you could have a hydrogen tanker follow you ...
Better yet attach a flatbed trailer to that truck and save the fuel for when you get there

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your talking about practicality, i'm talking about following the money...