The Weather Isn't Getting Weirder Or More Extreme.

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by Trebuchet, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. icarus

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    You do have me there, at least as the denial community would see it. Indeed, if you "follow the money" you can clearly see who stands to lose if were were to take seriously the reality of AGW.

    The point however, is that "big energy" or "big capital" has not spend decades funding the primary science. In the case of "big energy" it would seem that they are behind a concerted misinformation campaign under the guise of "science". Witness "the clean coal council" or what ever it is they call themselves, or the APA, or any of a number of famous denial fronts. The intention is not to educate, but merely to obfuscate. The bottom line is, the longer the can delay, the more doubt they have been able to cast on established science, with the result being increasingly further delays in any real action,, to the point of no action at all. They (and we) are not forced to pay the environmental costs of our energy choice, but rather pass them on to future generations.

    Because some "smart" wall streeters figured out a way to make a few bucks on some potential solution does not mean that the problem doesn't exist. At last report, we have no real carbon tax, we have no cap and trade system in place, and in fact we have nothing real and substantive to address the very real, ever increasing reality associated with AGW.

    If you wish to be taken seriously as one who does not believe that AGW is real,,, do your self a favour and come up with some other argument beyond "Enron was for cap and trade, ergo AGW cannot be real".

    Thank you,

    Icarus
     
  2. mojo

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    Since I brought up Piers Corbyn earlier in this thread,I want to mention that a month ago he predicted an increase in earthquakes.
    The guy is mindblowing.
     
  3. tochatihu

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    In press at Science magazine:

    "The Hot Summer of 2010: Redrawing the Temperature Record Map of Europe"

    Risking the wrath of Science's publisher (who wants us to pay to read the opening paragraph)


    "The summer of 2010 was exceptionally warm in eastern Europe and large parts of Russia. We provide evidence that the anomalous 2010 warmth that caused adverse impacts exceeded the amplitude and spatial extent of the previous hottest summer of 2003. 'Mega-heatwaves' such as the 2003 and 2010 events broke the 500-yr long seasonal temperature records over approximately 50% of Europe. According to regional multi-model experiments, the probability of a summer experiencing 'megaheatwaves' will increase by a factor of 5 to 10 within the next 40 years. However, the magnitude of the 2010 event was so extreme that despite this increase, the occurrence of an analogue over the same region remains fairly unlikely until the second half of the 21st century."

    Before 1871 their temperature records were proxies, of course, so work that angle if the message is not a comfortable one.

    That it shouldn't happen again soon is based on those pesky models. They are not yet operating on space/time scales that allow the incorporation of weather features like the now-famous blocking high pressure system.

    And we don't want to spend the money to improve the models to that degree. Right guys? I mean if Corbyn has the whole thing wrapped up, what would be the point?