The Toyota Mirai (FCV) Thread

you're still missing the point. An EV (& plugins) will reduce gasoline usage, since most are in California where the grid is cleaner already. Once again, you are still arguing like many plugins are in West Virginia. That's just not the case, and continuing to say it, won't make it so.

we've already beat that dead horse, and provided links that show what a huge waste of electricity that is, regardless of whether its coal, solar, or PV electricity.
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You should probably check the budget before making such bizare statements. There were suposed to be 100 stations by 2010. Chu attempted to cut the budget for comercialization, but congress restored it.

Congress Forces The DOE To Take Hydrogen Funding - Business Insider
You can't blame the lack of infrastructure on the federal government. They have spent over $3B. Again this is fred's house of poltics stuff, but really it wouldn't have taken much of that $3B to build 40 good 5000 psi stations (the ones car companies wanted at the time) in southern California if there were actually cars that were ready when the federal government wanted to spend the money.

 

"Closer" being the operative word. In other words we ain't there yet. But I hope it works for them. Until then it's just not our present-day reality.
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Hybrids have tailpipe emissions, so they shouldn't get any ZEV credits. They have also been available for 15 years now, don't appear to need any help with continued sales, and rising CAFE numbers will push more hybridization.

Neither does the Volt get 'real' ZEV credits. Since PHVs do accomplish the ZEV goals for most driving, they probably should get a credit during this transitional time.

The link, as always, is in my signature.

And a FCEV driver can take advantage of that incentive too. It isn't just for plug in owners.

 

Toyota Receives Over 1,100 Order Requests for 2016 Mirai Fuel-Cell Vehicle

 

Wow this is wonderful, I am convinced! Any transportation that can run on lemonade is OK by me. And 30,000 people are interested. That can only mean that we need to quickly earmark a trillion dollars to build out a national infrastructure. I hope that our taxes can be raised, so we can quickly create this miracle of science. Thank You Toyota, thank you thank you thank you. I should tear down my solar panels right now & get the gas company to install a much larger main line to my house so I can install a huge renewable energy fuel cell.

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WOW!

 

Tell me that's not an actual tv commercial?

When I saw it it reminded me of this;

 

When I saw it I thought of the onion, and looking it up it was produced by J.J. Adler one of the producers of the onion news network. I'm sure he was inspired by some of those simpson's fake films. Still much better than the Lexus advertising. Perhaps he pulled a fast one on toyota. Look at some other similar onion work.

And hill's last post might fuel this concept, note they were making fun of GM and fuel cell cars back then.
New Anger-Powered Cars May Revolutionize The Way We Drive - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

Just fyi on the sugar in lemonade to hydrogen idea.
Sweet hydrogen: how sugar could help satisfy the world's energy needs | Lou Del Bello | Science | The Guardian

definitely possible, but expensive right now. The trick is that same biomass could be used to create electricity, ethanol, methanol, or methane. That is electricity or biofuels. Bacardi has wonderfully efficient distilleries where agricultural waste is converted to animal feed and bio gas (methane mainly) then the bio gas burned to generate electricity and steam. The bacardi methods need a lot of water, but much of the US midwest has good growing and lots of rain, river, and lakes. I'm sure you could make hydrogen not ethanol and electricity, but that ethanol and electricity might power a flex fuel phev much cheaper. Key is to figure out how to get cost down, but as the guardian article said, people are working on that.

 

Déjà vu - of the creepiest kind - the ad man.
these campaigns we joke about above - I'm reminded of another work of art;

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Hill has a special need to give others unwanted opinions, now he is in Ludicrous mode, . He does not like trumpet, so nobody should be playing the trumpet: Small, Angry Man Yells at Trumpet Player in New York City

 

Hydrogen can be made way, but so can electricity.
Turning cow poo into power is profitable for US farm - Yahoo News
And there are farms that have been operating these systems for far longer, and we already have an extensive network to get the electricity to where it is used. It is cheaper to do than trucking poo or hydrogen around.

 

An electric grid exclusively for cars? Then that would be silly. The grid is already there as it powers my house, and the local businesses too.

Hydrogen is a solution to the problem with what to do with s8*t loads of natural gas the US suddenly has from fracking. You'd be better feeding it straght into powerstations and closing down oil and coal plants instead.

I'm not sure if you genuinely believe hydrogen is the future, you're playing devils advocate, trolling, or work in the hydrogen industry. Hopefully not all four.

 

Oh - but i DO love trumpets ... and the alto sax ... flute ... guitar ... and the bassoon. You see - it's ok to like some THINGS more than another. But the video was not about liking or disliking the trumpet. It was about public humiliation / scolding of a fellow human. Hopefully you can grasp the difference? There, we experience a personal attack on a persons skill / talent ... it'd be like going to the special Olympics just to goof on the athletes.

But hydrogen cars are not an attack on people's talent. Hydrogen cars attack tax dollars. Toyotas' marketing attacks truth with a theoretical possibility of some time in the future as though its now. I really don't mind hydrogen R&D. What I mind, is when it's funded, to the detriment of much more proven tech. See the difference? No personal attack necessary. When lemonade & poop are put forth as something that's actually being laid out as a reality, then we can talk. But it's not. Natural gas is put forth ... and that truth is deliberately not advertised. I can't be the only person who is willing to counter the King's new wardrobe is just plain ol' naked-ness.
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