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Discussion in 'Prius v Technical Discussion' started by Bill the Engineer, Aug 8, 2014.

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    Your wife sounds supportive and knowledgeable. If I attempted the same thing in our garage, I would not get the same result as you:(.

    Her father has a 46 Ford pickup that has sat in the same spot of the garage for over 15 years. I know the comments that are made about it:rolleyes:.
     
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    Bill,
    Ah that makes sense. I didn't even think about the headlight assembly. You would have to get really creative just to change out your bulbs. Of course there are cars designed from the factory with zero headlamp clearance, like the 2010-2014 Subaru Outback/Legacy that I just traded in.
    Gen 4 Headlight Access Hatch installation - Subaru Outback - Subaru Outback Forums

    Someone mentioned here that you may be using an aluminum box to waterproof and enclose the hybrid battery pack. My guess is you would want to use plastic instead to ensure zero rust. Galvanic corrosion is almost guaranteed if dissimilar metals are placed into contact in a wet environment.

    How are you going to leave cooling vents open for the hybrid battery while sealing it against water at the same time?
     
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    I am blessed. My wife is another engineer. We speak much the same language.

    The box as it is planned isn't a purchased enclosure, but rather a drip-proof construction of steel sheet-metal panels custom fit to the location under the rear seat. It will have an opening into the interior of the car for the intake duct and an louvered opening into the trunk for the exhaust. The bottom will be the actual floor of the Prius chassis with added holes for duck-billed rubber drain plugs. Venting to the outside will be from the inner surfaces of the lower quarter panels behind the rear wheels where they would not be visible.from the outside.

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    Duck bill drains do fail. And are you sure of the airflow around the drains not deforming them so they do? Just had one collect all sorts of mold in my refrigerator and only noticed it when ice began accumulating in the freezer section an inch thick.
     
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    I have considered that. I plan to weld an air deflector around the leading side and include a rodent-proof metal mesh grill to prevent entry. The water from the rain channel at the base of the convertible top will be channeled into a funnel-like arrangement leading to a drain line. Mold should not be an issue, since I don't plan for the car to see much rain. I will likely get caught out in the rain on occasion, but most rainy days will be spent in the garage.

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    Having computer problems. Using my son's computer to send this. Hoping to be back soon!

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    Going to try some shorter posts from my son's laptop. My old computer is toast, but I was able to rescue most of the files.

    Just to see what it looks like, I positioned the left front fender forward to mate with the bumper. I think the final result will look fine.

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    Catching up on the happenings while my computer was on its last legs...

    I created a template for the Gen II fuel door back-structure. I then taped it into position on the Firebrid body and cut out the opening. The final photo shows the fuel door assembly temporarily in position to check the fit.

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    My next area of focus was the Prius v gauge cluster. I again created a paper template, this time around the gauge cluster where it would intersect the all-steel Firebrid dash. Unfortunately, it is wider than the existing opening, so cut outs needed to be made. The area will eventually have a custom made cover over the exposed parts of the gauge cluster, but the first priority is to get it mounted and working before it is made pretty.

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    The cluster is only set in place for now. Brackets to hold it will be designed soon.

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    Last topic for now. I began work to fit air conditioning ducts into the dash of the Firebrid. The original Firebird did not have a/c. (Few convertibles in the 1960's did.) Some time ago I purchased the ducting out of a scrapped Firebird coupe that had factory installed a/c. They aren't mint condition parts, but they will do for now.

    The dash of the Firebrid did not have the openings for the ducts. I completed the modification for the center duct easily since they were rectangular cuts.

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    The side ducts are going to be a little tougher, since they have curved surfaces intersecting curved surfaces. I again made paper templates for the holes, and checked factory photos for the proper mounting locations. The curb side vent should be straight forward enough, but I can see that I will need to make some adjustments on the driver's side to eliminate some interference between the duct and the Prius v speedometer!

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    wow, it's all coming together, looking good!(n)
     
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    Bill,
    Looks great!

    The Prius gauge cluster is designed to be center mounted, so it is pretty wide (as you have found). At the same time, the Prius steering wheel has a very tight radius/diameter and the airbag area is relatively huge. Like a late model Ford. I imagine it would be hard to see anything through the gap between the wheel and airbag. How have you gotten around the problem of being able to see the gauges through the steering wheel gap?

    On the driver side AC vent--I was going to say that you could move the gauge cluster up an inch and then the vent won't interfere. But then... I don't think you can see the gauge through the steering wheel and the back of the gauge might interfere with the firewall?
     
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    Very good observations. My intention is to adapt the Firebird steering wheel to the Prius v column. Visibility through the old wheel should not be a problem. The adapter is still only a CAD concept that I plan to flesh-out over the winter when it is too cold to work on the car.

    Now that I know where the a/c duct on the driver's side will land, I do plan to investigate altering the height of the instrument cluster to the extent that I can. I had hoped to keep some of the original surfaces in the area, but that looks less likely now. It is just too bad that the Lexus HS250h instrument cluster I have won't work electrically with the Prius v wiring.

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    I'm guessing instrument panel cluster swaps are nearly impossible with modern electronics? Especially across models.
    Interesting post here where a guy successfully swapped an Audi A6 and S6 cluster--even there the software steps involved are pretty intense.
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    Firebird steering wheel. Are you still keeping the airbag and other Prius elements? The final design would have to be a 4 spoke? The Prius wheel has lots of molded integrated parts including the switches. Plus I think the steering wheel buttons are molded into those two silver plastic strips; and the airbag is contoured around those two silver plastic strips.

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    There won't be any airbags in the finished car, which is OK since the 1967 Firebird didn't have them originally. Keep in mind that the Firebird VIN is the surviving car here. That is on purpose for a number of reasons. The column mounted wiper and headlight controls will remain where they are. The wheel mounted controls will be finding new homes either on the dash or in the console where the shifter had been. The only wiring that I will need on the wheel itself is for the two horn buttons, which I will get from the old Firebird steering column.The final electrical design for where things mount is still TBD, and will be tackled once the main body welding is done in the spring.

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    A bit hard to see this weekend's progress, but it is progress none the less.

    The Firebird radiator core support is down lower where it belongs, and now it covers the bottom of the Prius v cooler nicely. It is also shifted a little further back, and the bumper was adjusted a bit further back to match. These parts will be the first to be sand blasted in the spring prior to painting them.

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    Onward to next weekend.

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    love it. the front shot reminds me of wall-e.:cool:
     
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    If we could only see the pics:(
     
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