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The Gulf Coast (Katrina Revisited)

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by hycamguy07, Aug 21, 2006.

  1. jayman

    jayman Senior Member

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    ( Gawd your a sick person but I find it funny, in the way your trying to put the words in my mouth.. No I wouldnt blame a child for getting raped because they were not strong enough. I would blame the parent if they could have prevented the act from occuring in the first place but chose to look the other way and do nothing.. I do feel compassion for those who lost everything including lives, but its not the goverments fault unless your saying it was a consperisy and that President Bush steered katrina towards New Orleans and then he would be at fault )

    If anybody is "sick" it's you, especially that cute little "joke" awhile back about the woman having a radical mastectomy appearing "lopsided."

    Let's get one thing straight: both democrats and republicans dropped the ball BIG TIME on this one. The American response to a tsunami halfway around the world was way faster than on your own soil. That is pathetic, disgusting, immoral, etc

    Oh, I notice you live in Florida. I certainly hope Florida never ever experiences another hurricane ever again, but if a Cat 5 should ever wipe out your home, tough s**t.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(heliotropehead @ Aug 22 2006, 08:09 PM) [snapback]307933[/snapback]</div>
    Darn straight, why live in what is essentially a giant swamp that can experience crippling heat waves due to global warming?? To further the cause of Social Darwanism we should also mandate rolling blackouts for Chicago when the temps are over 90.
     
  2. jayman

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Aug 22 2006, 07:15 AM) [snapback]307403[/snapback]</div>
    Well, what did you do??

    I contract for a global engineering firm, headquartered in EU. My background is control systems, but we have locally on staff 10 PE-certified in EE, ME, CE, etc. We actually offered our services – pro bono – to re-engineer the infrastructure down there.

    We were refused.

    Oh well, BFD as they used to say. What I find troubling is that this just isn’t New Orleans, many communities have ancient and potentially catastrophic infrastructure under their feet. I used to do public infrastructure – over 10 years ago – but refused when I realized nobody really gives one rats nice person about it.

    Until it’s too late that is: oops the levee broke, the transformer blew up, the valve jammed because it hadn’t been used in 20 years, the backup generator threw a rod because instead of being “exercised†once a week for 30 mins it hadn’t been turned over in 5 years, etc.

    Ever been in a dewatering station? Sewage lift station? How about a HV or MV substation? Kind of scary how the equipment is way older than I am, and poorly maintained at that.

    But I covered all of that in posts made about New Orleans and Katrina last year.

    What I find very troubling about your posts is that you claim to be a “Christian†but appear to have a “hurray for me and f*** ‘em†attitude. At least I’m honest enough to admit being atheist and “judging†people by their deeds, not by some moldy book or by the color of their skin. Especially not by their net income

    As far as “bad things happen to people all the time†(sic) does that mean it’s “gods will?†Sounds like a mean SOB of a god, IMHO
     
  3. hycamguy07

    hycamguy07 New Member

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    Jayman:
    Oh, I notice you live in Florida. I certainly hope Florida never ever experiences another hurricane ever again, but if a Cat 5 should ever wipe out your home, tough s**t.

    Insurance & Overtime Baby :)

    If anybody is "sick" it's you, especially that cute little "joke" awhile back about the woman having a radical mastectomy appearing "lopsided."

    Awwww Im touched you remembered ;)

    Again I see your still up to your old tricks, trying to divert the heat somewere else other than to your self (by bringing up an old post to get the women riled up again. (your just following the agenda here I'll remind you) ;)

    See below:

    I wonder how many others here, notice these Liberal Rules of Engagement being used in other topics?

    #1: Attack Your Opponent
    If you feel that your opponent is trying to use facts to your disadvantage, attack him or her personally. Call your opponent names, insult his ancestry, imply that he performs improbable sex acts with animals or his own mother -- or both. If you can arouse his anger, you will have him on familiar ground where he can be beat. Your aim is to make your opponent stop using those pesky facts and figures to win the argument -- everyone knows arguments are supposed to be emotional, not cold and rational, so he's doing it wrong to start with. Names guaranteed to upset an opponent with a conservative bent are Nazi, Dittohead (meaning he's a fan of Rush Limbaugh), and Sheep. Spell "Republican" and "America" with a K in them, to suggest that your opponent is a member of the KKK -- but if they mention that Democratic Senator Robert Byrd was a Klansman, accuse your opponent of making an ad hominem attack! Make sure to claim that your opponent is either a dupe, is brainwashed, or is perhaps working for the government. If at all possible, make personal attacks on President Bush at the same time; that usually forces people to try and defend him.

    #2: Switch Your Arguments
    If you feel that your are beginning to lose an argument, change it. Switch sides altogether if you have to. For instance, if you are arguing that there are no biological or chemical weapons in Iraq, and your opponent quotes one of the many UN reports that state there definitely were banned weapons there, suddenly change your argument to "of course, there were, the US gave them to Saddam". Never mind the fact that you were just saying they didn't exist -- the purpose is to confuse your opponent and keep him from winning the argument. And in the above instance, if your opponent shows records from the CDC proving that Iraq requested medical samples through the World Health Organisation to combat anthrax and botulism, switch your argument BACK AGAIN and claim that Saddam destroyed the WMD he made form the samples after kicking out the inspectors in 1998, ignoring your earlier arguments that there never was any, and then that the US provided it. Logic is for losers! Consistency is for conservatives! If your opponent gives up the argument, loudly proclaim a victory!

    #3: Raise The Bar
    When your opponent presents you with proof of anything -- UN records of WMD stockpiles, Amnesty International records of humanitarian crimes, eyewitness accounts of rape, torture, murder, etc -- state that it's not enough to convince you. Tell your opponent that his so- called "proof" doesn't mean anything at all. Insist that anything from only one source doesn't count. Force him or her to go back and search for more proof... and more, and still more. Eventually, your opponent will grow tired of trying to convince you with mere facts and figures, and either give up or get angry -- and then you know you've got him! You can tell everyone that your opponent lost because his or her proof was "laughable".

    #4: Attack The Source
    When your opponent presents you with those pesky facts, there's only one way to beat him -- attack the source. Refuse to give credence to anything reported by the Weekly Standard, or NewsMax, even if your opponent's facts come from another source as well. Any news outlet even slightly to the right of the New York Times, the LA Times, CBS, ABC, NPR and Time is immediately suspect. Put down FOX news channel and anyone that refers to it -- ignore the fact that they have reported the same stories as every other network. The fact that your opponent uses any of those obviously biased sources automatically proves him wrong, a brainwashed tool, a sheep, etc (see rule #1). If he gives you information from a web site, attack that site as being biased, or right-wing. If he attacks your sources as being left-wing, scoff at that argument -- you know that "left wing" and "correct" are the same thing. Quotes from any liberal source (even a non-journalist's web page or blog) are automatically correct, while any conservative source is OBVIOUSLY distorting the facts to make an ideological point.

    #5: Blame America First/Moral Equivalency
    It's very important, at all times, to remember that America is the REAL bad guy here, everywhere, and for all time. If your opponent shows facts about Saddam's humanitarian offenses, match them with claims of America's own "atrocities". Although your opponent will claim there is no comparison between the two, continue to claim, for instance, that Saddam's 30- year record of using rape, murder, torture and mutilation on prisoners merely accused of crimes is the EXACT SAME THING as Texas administering the death penalty after due process of law. Argue that because America has not always been absolutely perfect, Americans have no right to judge any other country, no matter what it does, even though the Geneva Convention did not exist until after WWII. Stay focussed on your vision of an evil America ruled by corporate greed, evil America slobbering to kill the innocents in other countries, evil America ruthlessly building an empire, and evil America only pretending to be benevolent and generous to other countries. Never give credence to your opponent's arguments that America rebuilt countries like France, Germany, Japan, Nicaragua, Grenada, etc... it was obviously a ruse of some kind! Always seek to put the worst possible interpretation on everything America does or ever has done, or any statement by any member of the Administration. Remember that America exists only to dominate the entire world, like a James Bond supervillain. For reference, watch as many Oliver Stone movies as possible. Remember that American soldiers always act exactly like the soldiers in Platoon.
     
  4. jayman

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Aug 22 2006, 09:12 PM) [snapback]307993[/snapback]</div>
    Yawnnnnn ..............
     
  5. hycamguy07

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jayman @ Aug 22 2006, 10:15 PM) [snapback]307994[/snapback]</div>
    :D :D :D :p :p :rolleyes: :) B)
     
  6. galaxee

    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    suing the govt over katrina... sure some of them are opportunistic lawsuits... can't say that katrina victims are the only ones responsible for that in this country... :rolleyes:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Aug 22 2006, 05:34 PM) [snapback]307837[/snapback]</div>
    You are pro life. This statement, as well as your other statements concerning harm that comes to innocent people from war, are contradictory with this position. These people for whom you wish harm, were once fertilized eggs. You do not have empathy for human beings that are suffering and yet you want to ensure that human beings live to experience suffering, or worse yet - death. You basically have more empathy and compasion for a fertilized egg than you do for life itself.