the gas bladder: exposed!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bill Merchant @ Apr 7 2007, 01:32 AM) [snapback]419229[/snapback]</div>

$1,000 is about what I paid to have the fuel bladder/tank assembly replaced when I received a tank of contaminated gas from a Navy Exchange gas station. Fortunately, Citgo, the Navy contractor who confirmed supplying the contaminated gas, paid for the repair lock, stock and bladder. I was lucky.

Dan

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(aaf709 @ Apr 7 2007, 03:16 AM) [snapback]419276[/snapback]</div>

No Kidding! Very Bitchin. would have liked to have been there.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Oxo @ Apr 7 2007, 12:35 PM) [snapback]419418[/snapback]</div>

Now we know why the over-designed Prius is so much more life-cycle costly than the Hummer with its tin can tank!

 

More info on the fuel and EVAP system:

http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/Hybrid13.pdf

Please note the admonition to use 87 octane gas, and only 87 octane gas, in the Prius.

No, America--bigger numbers aren't better. More isn't better. I know y'all want so desperately to believe that more is better, but it isn't. More is just more.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Apr 7 2007, 08:06 PM) [snapback]419632[/snapback]</div>

Thanks. So this raises the question of why the bladder is there anyway. I think this has been explained on PC before but I can't remember the answer although I think it's some sort of safety measure. Perhaps it's a requirement of US legislation?

Incidentally I find the filler opening a bit too small for the nozzle when I fill up. It shuts off if I put it in as far as it will go so I have to hold it much nearer the opening and even then it shuts off after taking a gallon or so and I have to withdraw the nozzle a bit further.

 

WOW Galaxee, thats entirely cool!!! Bet it was a lot of work though....

Oh, and good luck on the grant writing!! B)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Oxo @ Apr 8 2007, 04:25 AM) [snapback]419766[/snapback]</div>

The bladder reduces evaporative losses even more, allowing the (I can't remember the correct term, so UBER Environmentally friendly) rating for the car.

 

Galaxee,

Thanks for taking the time to post the pictures and the explanations. And please pass on my thanks to "DH" for taking the time to perform the arduous disassembly.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Oxo @ Apr 8 2007, 03:25 AM) [snapback]419766[/snapback]</div>

The bladder helps meet [partial] zero emission standards on the US west coast (and BC Canada) and some New England states in the north east US. It is not for US Federal standards, but to meet State standards, since the Federal government refuses to lead and has been denying its ability to regulate tail-pipe emissions. It would be better if ALL Prius had the bladder tank. I'm somewhat surprised that the EU isn't more on top of this since they seem to love regulation.

[Edited for clarity. The goal is to reduce emissions and green house gasses as much as possible. The Prius IS a zero emissions car, when the ICE isn't running.]

 

I don't think I've ever been more happy to be driving a car with no fuel tank.

 

But the Prius isn't a zero emissions car, so why does that matter?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dan-Wolfe @ Apr 7 2007, 01:45 PM) [snapback]419423[/snapback]</div>

Dan,
Was that an isolated incident, or was there a major problem with the supplier? I usually get my gas at a Citgo station on the Navy base in Newport, RI.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Apr 9 2007, 05:56 AM) [snapback]420214[/snapback]</div>

Indeed. PARTIAL Zero Emission Vehicle. Almost as non-sensical as "Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle." These guys just crack me up.

 

Is this a rigid plastic tank (like most cars have) within a metal tank, or a "bladder?" It looks like a good device, and I can understand why we pay a little more for the Prius. That was a lot of work. It would be interesting to see a Toyota oil flter's innards to see if it is as special as they claim.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mr.Vanvandenburg @ Apr 9 2007, 03:13 PM) [snapback]420415[/snapback]</div>

Unless I misunderstood your question:

Yep, it's a bladder. It's flexible and collapses as it's emptied.

Dave M.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(darelldd @ Apr 9 2007, 12:33 PM) [snapback]420313[/snapback]</div>

I'm with you. Orwellian language strikes again!

Carlin nailed this one 30+ years ago: semi-boneless ham? JUMBO shrimp? And now we have partial zero emissions? What part of zero are they missing?

From the guy who edits Games magazine: a driver saw a license plate on the road that said 1DIV0. What kind of car was it on?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adam1991 @ Apr 9 2007, 03:59 PM) [snapback]420453[/snapback]</div>

Is there actually a car named "Infinity"?

It does seem I've heard of one.

Dave M.

P.S. Is that its fuel consumption? Sorry. Couldn't resist.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dmckinstry @ Apr 9 2007, 07:30 PM) [snapback]420582[/snapback]</div>

Close, it is spelled with four i's and no y's.