Featured "Tesla under US criminal investigation over self-driving claims..."

Yes - and yet not a single one of them by Lee Jay was the sleuth posting them for the 1st time. Same with dieselgate, or GM toxic super fund sites, or any other manufacturers discussed if/when discussed here - save one.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
yes - Thanks are in order for his diligence

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When FSD was first released, you could buy it at a discounted price, or you could buy Autopilot. No one was told the current hardware in the care was the final iteration.
People were also told that if they bought FSD they would get any upgrades at no cost. In my case, the upgrades were free.

 

After waiting years since her first evening/day reservation for a Y LR RWD, they asked my wife to choose from the available LR AWD or Performance, at the much much higher current pricing. They would not even honor the FSD cost that she selected. There was no writing on the wall that it would never come, they produced a SR RWD for a while so we expected the LR to come. Then when prices started rising we went in for advice, and were advised we got a great price, to wait. All the while holding her pretty big $2500 deposit....

This was what happened to us:

Tesla Rejects Model Y Buyer's Call To Honor Retroactive FSD Pricing

At least with the Cybertruck it's only $100....

REVVL V+ 5G ?

 

I'm talking WAY BACK when the Model S was their only vehicle. I remember going into the showroom to test drive the car because self driving would be great as I often get tired behind the wheel. I remember immediately being greeted with it's not quite there yet. Elon kind of over spoke WAY BACK.

Then the concept that all the cars on the road shared their data and were collectively learning to drive, way back....

REVVL V+ 5G ?

 

Time to update this Dusty old zombie thread. Ultimately no criminal activity held - guessing the OP forgot to get back to this and bring that up. Case closed. Another just unnecessarily causing fud

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https://electrek.co/2023/02/11/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-smear-campaign-super-bowl-ad/

 

Guess that means 10's of thousands of FSD buyers are irrational - and the jury was irrational & the judge was irrational. Ok. So then it means it also looks like just you - & stock shorters & this guy advertising on superbowrl (with competing software) are the ones that are rational then.
Hmmm. Must be tough being so much smarter than everyone else. Thank you for the FUD .... the exact fud GM constantly slung at the Prius - which many of us countered with the facts/safety statistics.
Carry on

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"Full self driving" sounds like it's hollow and now has some sort of liquid or compressed gas in it and it keeps driving itself until it runs empty again. Sorry, I just had to say that.

Although I don't like the terminology and even as someone who doesn't keep up on Tesla I'm pretty sure I'd know what I'd be getting into if I were to buy or consider a Tesla with FSD.

 

You mean the scam artist that faked a bunch of videos and ignores facts and lost his bid for the senate, may be wrong about his claims. Does this mean everything QAnon says may not actually be true and that there is a possibility that Russia didn't attack Ukraine in self defense.

 

But if you saw a brand of EV that disenfranchises your plugin by capturing lots of its sales - you might try & do anything to slow the tide. That's what Toyota for instance did when they (lexus) ran false ads about EV are for people that have 4hrs to waste.
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Marketing is full of scams, slander and outright lies and thrives off of human ignorance and misinformation.

Toyota might be "right" for certain people in certain circumstances. I had an EV (Nissan Leaf) and usually waited 4 hours at each charging station and did so very, very often (at least twice a week) and had that problem until the day I sold it.

But yes it's a half truth that Toyota used to try to sterotype all EV's, and it affects people's perception of EV's. I would like to get an EV again, but I think my attempt at being an early adopter has actually had the same effect as Toyota's ads: a lot of people who know me say they'd never buy an EV after what I went through. I try to educate them that my circumstances 5 years ago in a first gen EV are not what it's like to drive an EV today, much less what it will be like in the comming years. But people are gullable and stubborn at the same time.

The last leg of highway where I was afraid it didn't have enough charging for a 200+ EV to make it without a tow truck now has enough charging stations to make it viable. The next car I get I want it to be an EV. It'll probably have to be a Bolt, or a really well kept and reliable used EV. But I want an EV even though as a renter, this probably means I'll be spending 4 hours down at the free charing spot in the center of town every other day or so.

 

When you want to start a pissing contest, make sure you drink a lot of water.
Electrical defects cause Priuses to stall; Toyota may be bracing for a legal fight as safety worries grow - Los Angeles Times

But that's why we don't play games like that.
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You mean like you throwing up an individual owner complaint (that admits how much he LOVES his Tesla btw) as opposed to the OP issue which was criminal liability? Yes - agreed ... that is a dumb approach .... & it's exactly why - by example - an unrelated issue link was posted ABOVE ... to point out that you switched to a non criminal guilt issue.

You mean it's not criminal guilt or innocence? Odd ... it seems the wrong OP article was posted then. Following up from the OP article - court disagreed about your hope for guilt. If you want to complain about one brand or another's quality - perhaps start another FUD thread? For your future edification - if you think about differences of burdens of proof - civil trials generally just require a preponderance of a showing of the issue to be likely true (or not) ... as if just over 50%.
Crimes require evidence beyond reasonable doubt - a higher threshold. Musk/Tesla has already beat civil cases regarding what was delivered .... so realistically any criminal trial win for a Tesla defense is a slam dunk. Sorry that seems to be so frustrating for you. Electric cars are not meant for everyone. So enjoy your Prius - as it too - is a great car.
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Whoops - there you go again - changing the issue ..... try to stick to the OP if you can - per your own suggestion
It's "criminal guilt"
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Got the latest FSD a week ago which reset my strike counter. Unlike previous updates, a lot of settings had to be discovered and reentered. Other than discovery of the “Wilson Wander” (see YouTube), not a whole lot of changes. It does a better job of snuggling to the far side of the lane when a large vehicle is in an adjacent lane. Multi lane left turns should still be done manually.

Still love Autopilot and Full Self Driving. Traffic light control works great. Also, turn signals bring up the side camera view which has a wider and unobstructed view.

Keeping the spirit of the thread, Elon Musk releases and deploys updates to Autopilot/FSD faster than the regulators can get permission to post a notice. Legacy regulation anticipated hardware changes for recalls. My Tesla is a pad computer with a car attachment.

Bob Wilson

 

Ah but it isn't the latest because the latest includes additional hardware which is not going to be added to your car Bob. So you will be left with a less functional than was claimed product (even if that claim was for a time in the future). Aren't you pleased with that?

https://electrek.co/2023/02/13/tesla-preparing-launch-new-autopilot-hardware-4-0-upgrade/