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Tax, Tax, Tax.

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by El Dobro, Feb 28, 2013.

  1. Duffer

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    Give us a discount when we buy an efficient vehicle and then we will pay to maintain the roads and bridges though out the life of the vehicle. Yearly registration is something most people already do, lets keep it simple. Efficient vehicles will be given greater emphasis and development will be spurred by demand. Oil consumption will be addressed by better efficiency and the use of more natural gas in vehicles and dwellings.
     
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    A registration tax, like a mileage tax or tire tax, misses the point. Gasoline needs to be taxed heavily to:

    1. Pay for its $1T in yearly costs. $300B in oil import trade deficit costs. $500B in military costs. $300B in environmental costs and to pay back the $14T in debt from those costs over the last 30 years.

    2. Reduce the use of oil to reduce the above yearly costs.

    That we are even debating taxing EV and hybrids shows how crazy the GOP right wing has dragged the country over multiple cliffs. We haven't raised gasoline taxes in 30 years. We pay LESS gasoline tax today than 30 years ago. Yet governments are broke, gasoline use is up, oil wars are permanent cost, bridges are falling down.

    Raise the gasoline tax.

    Fix the problem.
     
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    And when the use of gasoline declines as it will then the funding wound opens up again.
    The funny thing is that my brother had talked about a new vehicle and he is short trip driver. I saw the Leaf lease 1,999 down 199 a month deal and told him about it. Then I told him about the tax that states are putting on Hybrids and EVs. His reply was "Whaaaat?" "Electric cars are already more expensive!"
     
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    Yes. Keep it simple. Tax gasoline and Diesel. Everybody already pays to maintain the roads. Gasoline taxes never paid for the roads. None of it is used for local roads where people spend most of their time and miles.

    Gas tax is to pay for costs of oil use which are huge running $1T per year and having run up $14T in debt. Gas/Diesel oil taxes need to be raised to pay those costs. Roads, as always are paid for by general revenue taxes as everyone benefits from good road system, drives and non-drivers alike.
     
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    Another bad move. Its not like NC, Virginia, and New jersey are going to actually raise any revenue with these new taxes.

    Just to correct some misinformation. California and NY have the highest gas taxes
    Gasoline Tax

    California pay 12 cents more per gallon in direct taxation than NC. California also has indirect taxation by means of regulating boutique blends that cause price spikes.
     
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    congratulations, virginians, you get to pay 'your fair share' of gass taxes wth $64 yearly fee; othere stastes lining up behind to get their fair share. So even if you don't live in VA your state's getting ready to get yoluj and your state may have higher state gas tax. So your tax will be higher.
     
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    That is a shame...but not that surprising. I wonder if you did have a less fuel efficient vehicle, if you really do pay that same amount in gas taxes...I would imagine you pay more? So, maybe it isn't the worst thing ever because you are still saving money, and it gives you more motivation to get to the 700 mile mark?:whistle: I don't think Georgia has proposed the same thing.
     
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    Discouraging people from being fuel-efficient. Brilliant.
     
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    ztanos All-around Geek!

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    They like Electric cars, so I would bet they won't.
     
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    In the UK the annual vehicle tax is now based (generally) upon levels of emissions. The less you emit, the less you pay. Vehicles with CO2 emissions lower than 100 g/km pay nothing. There is then a sliding scale up to 255 g/km at which point you pay £480 per annum.

    In the first year of life of a new vehicle the sliding scale is much steeper and ranges from zero for 100 g/km, to £1,065 for 255 g/km. The intent is to bring maximum influence to bear at the point of purchase.
     
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    NC is proposing a $50 tax for hybrids and $100 for EV's. I do not have a problem with this personally. I am driving the same mileage as before on less gas for the same gas tax per gallon.

    We need the taxes to maintain our highway systems and bridges and the money has to come from somewhere.

    Others on here have proposed that a more fair tax would be based on miles driven times weight of vehicle which I agree with. I do not see NC doing anything this radical any time soon.
     
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    Thanks :confused: ..............internet data.....slightly different according to when, where, and how many clicks you make
     
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    This is old news, but you got your facts wrong. The logic behind it is road repair funding come from gas taxes. So fuel efficient vehicles that drive the same amount of distance on roads but use less fuel don't contribute their "fair share" towards road repair therefore the tax was levied. I'm ok with the tax and find it amusing that the same people that cried about everyone paying their "fair share" of everything else (healthcare, entitlements etc) now get to put their money where their mouths are.
     
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    Well there is another stupid state not to retire in!
    The list is getting smaller!
     
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    A mileage/weight tax would not allow the Prius to skirt the tax man either. At 3042lbs, the Prius weighs much more than a comparably sized car such as the corolla at 2760lbs. And that extra weight is put down on smaller contact patches which would equal more road damage.
     
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    Georgia seems to be going the tollway route instead of upping taxes like that. At least every driver will have to share in that regardless of what vehicle they drive. I just hope that the tollway really does fund better road maintenance (not that Georgia has a problem, I would consider our highways some of the best condition) and isn't like the tollway in Chicago that has even more potholes than any other roads.
     
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    It is called "whack a hippy" as the downstate Virginians are quite happy to see Northern Virginians pay more. Virginia is trying to minimize their gasoline tax for the downstate crowd. Only it won't really work for road revenue enhancement. The higher CAFE standards mean all vehicles, over time, are becoming more fuel efficient and Virginia's gasoline tax revenue will continue to fall behind.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    No you are wrong. What you are attempting to refer to is the proposed toll roads in the predominantly lower class rural southern part of the state that were going to pay for the roads in the wealthy northern part of the state. So what you are referring to was actually going to be "wack a farmer". Thankfully it hasnt happened.