Tanabe R&D for the 2010 Prius

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    UPDATE: I filled up the tank and dedicated myself to driving as conservatively as possible this time around....100 miles in, and I'm happy to report better milage so far than I've ever had driving these very common (for me) routes. a fairly consistant50-53 MPG with very minimal efforts. this was about as good as I used to get with very dedicated efforts to get higher MPG.

    -of course the disclamers: this could be a product of the break in period we've all read about here on the forum, rather than parts.
    -maybe a combination of parts and break in period.
    -perhaps the parts really did improve mpg somehow. I'm guessing, the exhaust is the only thing mod'd part that could be responsible, if it's improving mpg at all. The improved suspension might be aiding in power transfer and less energy lost in turns, but who knows. someone on this board will find this entertaining. i do!
     
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    Very nice... I can imagine stock parts can be restrictive and having these kind of aftermarket parts helps the airflow and less restrictive. Very nice post and very helpful.
     
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    Tanabe has just posted the rest of the R&D session for anyone interested in doing any "performance" mods to their prius:

    Tanabe USA R&D Blog | Toyota Prius (2010)


    PS. just ordered my wheel center caps from parts.com. next up, mud flaps....
     
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    Those DF springs give the car a really nice drop.
     
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    The springs and braces look good, but I sure hate the look of the muffler. Just screams "hack job" to me with it hanging so low. Looks so out of place.

    IMO, a muffler that tucked back up into the stock location with a a slash-cut tip that angled down (like stock) would be much more appropriate.
     
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    I spoke with Nate (Tanabe USA) earlier in the week and he mentioned that they are still a couple months out on production/availability due to packaging, pricing, etc.:eek:

    Hey, we've waited this long what's another couple months!

    deltron3030, you don't know how lucky you are!:)
     
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    I somewhat agree with you. Whenever I walk out to my car, it does stand out, and insofar as that's concerned, I'd much rather that the retaining arm of the exhaust was shorter, so as to raise the whole thing another 3/4 inch toward the bumper (there's definitely enough clearance between the actual muffler and the muffler cavity on the car). Im assuming with the slight amount of vibration, having the tip that close tto the bumper might create rubbing issues. I figured all it would take is a welder to fix this, but A. the retaining arm is hollow, so it wouldn't be an easy cut n' weld. and B. there might be some piping issues that make it necessary for the exhaust to be where it is.

    The reason i say "somewhat" is because it doesn't look nearly as out of place in person as it comes off in pics.

    Yes! I do know how lucky I am. I'm a paycheck to paycheck guy now that I've bought my prius outright (no financing, no payments, no stress), and theres no way i could have afforded these very cool parts without getting into debt, which I am also lucky to NOT have. Also, I'd like to say that I'm not posting this stuff with any intent to brag. I was fortunate enough to get "hooked up", the least i can do is share my experience with the priuschat community and hopefully eliminate some of the legwork you guys would have to go through without seeing my car.
     
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    If they just routed the muffler out straight instead where the stock muffler goes (there's a bit of a recess there I note) instead of angling out and used a reasonable size muffler tip (that thing is 3x larger than the pipe feeding it!) you could get the muffler tucked up a lot higher.
     
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    does that "straight pipe" thing have much to do with it being a performance exhaust?
     
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    What do you mean?

    The whole "angled exhaust canister" look came about because on some cars (like the Nissan Silvia) you can avoid an extra bend in the exhaust pipe leading up to the muffler by setting the muffler on an angle. This was done to supposedly eke every last bit of performance out of the car, but in reality, one 15-30* bend won't make any measurable difference compared to the rest of the system.

    This was then set to be a trend and now it's "cool" to have a big exhaust tip and canister hanging out the back at an angle.

    Never mind that it doesn't affect performance to make the tip any bigger than the exhaust pipe leading up to it.

    Never mind that on this particular example on the Prius, they bent the pipe extra to give it that "tuner" look and angle the canister thus negating the point of the whole angling the muffler out the side trick!

    So it really pains me to look at on two levels:

    1. It's not cosmetically pleasing.
    2. It's not functional - it was designed purposely to make it look like a "fast" part when in fact it does the opposite if anything.

    If you're going to modify a car - at least make it look better or function better - but I guess cosmetics are in the eye of the beholder!
     
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    I meant the "straight pipe" comment sincerely, as I don't really know much about exhaust design. I just meant that I would be 100% for bending it to a more natural angle if it didn't mess things up.

    and as for being sure that it decreases performance of the car, I'd say at this point, my experience with the thing makes me very hesitant to agree. I'd go as far as to say, you were wrong, but I'm no car guy. I'd like to do a side by side at some point. I definitely don't get worse gas milage (in fact, i noticed an improvement AND its getting colder out) and I feel the car having better throttle response at higher speeds. Again, I dont have any scientific measurements for these claims, but user experience is just about as good as saying "it doesn't work" at this point.
     
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    On the Prius, the effects of any muffler changes are going to be minimal at best. It simply does not move enough air. Certainly, any minor bends in the pipe is not going to affect anything.

    It's not going to affect fuel economy any - and maybe you'll get a couple horsepower on full throttle at best. I'd love to see a dyno run, but it's difficult to repeat results as you have to ensure that the battery charge remains the same at the start of each run.

    I'll wager $20 that any changes you "feel" are purely perception and aren't measurable to be statistically significant. Sound has a large effect on how you perceive things. Not to mention that you are expecting a performance increase which leads you to think one is there.
     
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    yeah, im pretty with you here...this whole thread i've been pretty hesitant about any real conclusions simply because I know perception has everything to do with opinion...which, given my lack of credibility, is all i've got. nonetheless, it'd be worth a side by side, drivers switching between cars a few times, to get a slightly less subjective opinion. my opinoin at this point is "something is going on" post-mods.
     
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    It may not look good to you... or some people. But I'm pretty sure it function what it's designed to. With all these restrictions on the prius... having this exhaust to let the air flow much smoother will help in some way. Now I'm not going to lie I wish they did the medalion touring instead since it's towards the stock-ish looks.