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Sudden loss of power, Red Triangle, Won't Start + P3190

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Bgustafson, Dec 22, 2017.

  1. Avi's Advanced Automotive

    Avi's Advanced Automotive Independent hybrid repair shop

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    You should get a hold of your mechanic's landlord and tell them the rent they're charging your mechanic is to much because he can fix cars out of his own home garage.
     
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    The $1,100.00 a year Toyota charges for Techstream and TIS isn't that bad. An independent repair shop should be able to afford that. Now $1,500.00 a year for Honda's crappy software is a different story.
     
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    You forgot to ask what the engine compression readings were.
     
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    I lost count of the number of times I thought the same thing while reading this thread.
     
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    *cough* BULLSHIT! *cough*
     
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    I thought the same when I read that.
     
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    I wouldn't replace an engine without low compression readings. I often run these things on parts cleaner to rule out compression and spark. Assuming the problem is fuel, I would check for pulses of power at the fuel injectors, quality of the fuel (not diesel or water). If fuel pressure is good, injectors are a possibility. Sometimes I smell the exhaust while the engine is cranking, NOT RUNNING, to see if I smell gasoline (or diesel). Maybe I'll post some more thoughts later.
     
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    Yeah. No way I'm going to bother replacing the engine at this point. I've already sunk too much money into this and learned lots of hard lessons. Everyone here has been very patient with me. Unfortunately, I do feel like I've been taken advantage of on a few occasions throughout this process by multiple shops –– though I'm not fully aware of who is the worst offender yet.

    Toyota *CLAIMS* they checked the fuel pressure and it was fine. Now did they really check it? No idea. I was having a ton of engine ping before this happened, and so I brought it into Toyota and they said it was "nothing." I always use Shell gas, by the way.
     
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    Bad gas is a possibility, if you filled up recently and it broke down afterwards
     
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    A claim is one thing, measurements in PSI are another.
     
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    Did the throttle body on this ever get cleaned?
     
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    Yes, the throttle body was cleaned / inspected twice, by two separate shops. Same with MAF, that was swapped twice.

    So hear me out, I know I'm a squeaky wheel at this point... (heh heh) but if I look at getting a low mileage (under 100k), new enough Prius, seems I'm going to be looking at dropping maybe ..what $10-12k?

    I can get my car repaired by Toyota, that will probably include the HV battery + whatever is actually wrong.. so I'll probably be out $3-5k I would *hope*. That's still 5k less than purchasing a newer vehicle. What am I looking at for longevity on my 2006? Mileage is 175k.

    I was perfectly content with my 06, but it's such a question mark at this point, so it's a total gamble. That being said, the only thing I can really go off of is how the 2006s out there are holding up after 200k?
     
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    Holy Moly, you would spend $5k? To fix it?

    I would sell you a perfectly running 2006 prius for $3k
     
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    Sounds like your Mechanic doesn't have much experience with Hybrid vehicles. To be a "Good" Mechanic, you need to know how to analyze and properly diagnose a problem rather than just being a parts thrower. There even a lot of dealers out there that just takes peoples money and not find what the problem is so that they can keep coming back. This one lady told me she taken her 2 gen Prii to the Toyota dealer because there was a light still on here dash. She didn't know what the light was and paid the dealer $180 to run a diagnostic scan and told her that they couldn't find anything and kept her money. When I went to look at her car myself, it was just the maintenance light on. I told her that light is normal as it comes on after 4,500-5,000 miles. I cleared the light for her. She said she gotten her oil changed recently. Where ever she taken it changed never reset the maintenance light. For something simple like the dealer missed, I wouldn't charged that lady anything.
     
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    Ha. Well that answers my question then. I guess my thinking was, since it would have a new Toyota battery hopefully it would get me another 150-200k.

    Anyway, at this point I'm planning on donating it to a good local car charity and moving on. The tax deduction will be just as much as I could sell it for..and hopefully they can fix it and sell / give it to someone who needs a car.
     
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    Donating to a charity is a very good thing to do.

    Alternatively you can list it for $1000 and it'll sell in a few hours on craigslist.
     
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    Pinging can be caused by many different things. I had that problem once. At first I though it was my spark plugs were just worn as they never have been change from the previous owner. I went ahead and changed them anyway. Using cleaners like Techron, or Gumout are pretty much snake oil as I wouldn't waste your money on that junk.

    Gasoline has enough detergent additives to keep your engine clean an way. What I discovered was the entire combustion chamber had heavy carbon build up after inspecting the combustion chamber with my borescope. These engines are prone to carbon up very easy esp when the engine goes between the on and off cycles driving in the city. The only real way to clean the combustion chamber is have it professionally cleaned using a motorvac.
     
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    That's good to know. When it started getting worse, I changed the sparks myself with little to no improvement. I did a couple rounds of Seafoam in the tank, which only helped because it raised the octane. The only way to get rid of the pinging was to use premium all the time, which kinda defeats the purpose of a Prius...

    They'll come tow it for free, too. I'll consider Craigslist, but I think I'll feel better just donating it. Might as well try to make some good come from this situation. (y)
     
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