Sudden Acceleration Verdict Is in - its not a electronic issue

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evpv is right in pointing out that Prius can have an SUA mechanism specific to our model, but since the national reporting mechanisms have not shown Prius to be an outlier, there is no reason to suspect such a mechanism exists other than his friends anecdotal report. And as the entire SUA story across multiple models and manufacturers shows time after time, anecdotal reports are overwhelmingly driver error with the exception of the sticky accelerator pedal Toyota acknowledged that was not in Prius.

Should we have a national inquiry every time a driver does something stupid, to reassure the driver that lawyer time will not be fruitful ? Laughable.

 

No, you are completely correct. NASA tested 6 old Camry's so therefore all Toyota and Lexus vehicles are now completely safe.

 

I'm a few steps ahead of you. Notice my profile?

 

So that "friend" was you after all.

 

Has NASA tested the car you're driving now for SUA?

There is no instance of unintended acceleration in a Prius that cannot be attributed to user error at this point, so insisting they test for such a condition is absurd. One could as easily run off the road because they are going too fast around a corner and argue until they are blue in the face that there is a technical problem with their car's steering, even though there's no reason in the world to think it.

For those not familiar with the availability heuristic it is more relevant here than any other factor in the prevalence of unintended acceleration in Toyotas.

 

So that would explain your concern in all this. As a non-prius or non-hybrid owner, you're looking out for our well being. Glad to know you've got our best interest at heart in your crusade to find some fault, any fault with the Prius.

Does your boss know you spend all this time trying to find something wrong with the Prius? What's that you say...your boss is General Motors, and he sent you here?

 

I will say I have gained something from this discussion (other than the fact there there are some real smart Prius owners here). I now have a much better grasp of what the word "troll" means....

 

I attended a safety seminar for Toyota and Lexus employees where we drove vehicles through a number of hazards designed to show how Toyota safety features such as VSC work. In the passenger seat was a professional driver. This same seminar was offered to journalists. We were told that of the 60 journalists that completed the course 5 failed to brake when they were told to by the professional drivers who verified they (the journalist) had their foot on the accelerator, but were convinced they were braking. Toyota has not publically put the blame on operator error because of the nightmare this caused Audi decades ago. But operator error was the final determination of the Audi issue.

 

Nope, he still has his Prius. PM me and I'll give you his phone number if you want it.

 

You guys want something to argue about. Visit my thread.
http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-prius-modifications/87781-red-toyota-emblem-mag-gray-prius-4.html

 

Do any of the critics wish to refute this?

 

I see that you profile now says that you no longer claim to have a Prius.
If that is true, then I salute you sir.
On that point, you would be a person of principle. Well done.

Throughout these discussions of the alleged condition of "untended
acceleration," i have not been able to dispel the thought that your
altruistic efforts 'on behalf of your "friend" and the great oblivious
masses of purportedly unaware Prius owners has a back-channel
agenda.

I ask myself, is it mere coincidence that when I Goggle the series of
letters "evpv," the majority of hits are for two things. In no particular
order:

* EVPV, "Expected Variance of the Process Variable," as I understand it,
a term used in the insurance industry, specifically having to do with the
matter of credibility in calculating payments. Hardly a term or idea
widely known in the populace at large. EVPV

Could it be then that you work either for an insurance company, or
lawyers representing same in one of the outstanding suits against
Toyota and are on a fishing expedition perhaps to try to ascertain the
possible acceptance by a jury of certain lines of reasoning why it must
certainly be possible, if not in fact true, that there is at least a small
chance that somewhere in the electro-mechanical systems of the
Toyota the is a small possibility of a design fault?
(Intentional, but amateur, lawyerish construction)

* EVPV, a particularly pernicious computer worm -- I'm not really
conversant with such things -- but it looks like when it is set onto a
computer, it cannot easily be removed:

The filename EVPV-MHS 4.1 BY MARCOPOLO , BANJO & REMUS.EXE
was first seen on Feb 28 2009 in the following geographical region of
the Prevx community: Spain on Feb 28 2009

File Behavior

EVPV-MHS 4.1 BY MARCOPOLO , BANJO & REMUS.EXE has been seen to
perform the following behavior:

The Process is packed and/or encrypted using a software packing process
Copies files
This process creates other processes on disk
Registers a Dynamic Link Library File
Checks for the use of debuggers
Found on infected systems and resists interrogation by security products
Uses low level functions to hide itself from the user and from
system/security processes
Creates system tray popups, messages, errors and security warnings PREVX

Could you try to convince me that neither of these upper case EVPV's
is connected in any way with you, the lower case evpv?

EDIT: (Should you be wondering about my user name, see this from
10/24/08.)

 

Like that proves anything; I could be talking to you. Plus it's not polite to give out your friend's phone number without their permission.

 

So now you're worried about me not being polite to my friend who you say doesn't exist? Why not call him? His Prius' electronics blacked out while driving 70mph on the freeway last week. Maybe you can help him figure out what happened. You work at Toyota in Torrance, he's on the road all over SoCal for his job, he could probably stop by and show you his Prius, explain his parking lot unintended acceleration problem, see his $3800 repair bill, see the letter from Toyota telling him his car is fine.

No chance of him being me because my car was silver, his is white. Plus, he's Japanese, I'm not. There is zero chance he would be able to converse in English on a forum like I do. He's a real Prius owner, I'm a real ex-Prius owner. I'd be happy to meet you as well. Or you can give me a call. Send me a PM.

 

Thanks.

 

wow. WOW! great detective work rokeby! i think you nailed him! insurance/legal scum.:rockon:

 

How about electric vehicle photo voltaic ? If evpv was my nick that would be the meaning

 

engineer

pretty bold statement... three paragraphs then a bold challenge for critics to refute you.

1) i'm not a critic, just someone interested in the prius and the volt i might add.
2) just because the nasa study didn't find any evidence, doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist. I have spent the last 23 years in the computer software and hardware industry and have a 19 year history with this and electronics. I am no nasa scientist OR engineer, but anyone in these fields will i tell you that just because you can't find the bug or explanation for the symptom, doesn't mean it does not exist. (it might) .. but it also could mean you you need to look further.
3) your next paragraph, building on your thought and saying that therefore it must be operator error and why don't they turn the car off , brakes etc.
a) the delay in the time it takes to turn of the prius with the on / off switch particularly in a panic situation are well known.
b)The prius is unique with it's electrically controlled regenerative braking (the tests were on camry's lacking this sophistication.)
c) the prius is also unque with the layout of its controls, joystick etc.

So to be clear i'm not hear to find fault with nasa or to say that UA exists. Only to point out as you requested that your logic is flawed as is the user interface in the prius.

 

IS? or might be?

 

engineers logic IS flawed. the prius MIGHT have a UA issue. The fact it was not found on a camry doesn't mean that it for sure ISN'T present in a camry and certainly doesn't prove it may or may not be present in a prius. (although it might not be present in either) And you can't then go on to say that all prius incidents are now by definition operator error.

Well you can say that like engineer did and then challenge everyone to find a flaw in your logic, but then why would you do that?