Should Moderators step in?

I think in FHOP we should allow anything short of incitement to riot. Everywhere else tone it down a notch. Free Press yes that is the center piece of a democratic people. The internet is free press.

 

Boy I hope he's not offended by that!!!!

But not having met the Mysterious Mollusk, and not having followed the thread that apparently many found mean-spirited, I will say that he first irritated me until he made me laugh, and I realised that he's the devil's advocate. (I don't think he's playing.)

Anyway squid, I humbly predict that as you get older you will find it easier to actually influence people (in general) if you are less inflamatory.

But don't stop giving people the sharp end of the stick - just give us a little warning that we can get un-stuck if we re-examine ourselves...

 

Lets only have people with like ideas on FHOP.
Should they be Liberal or conservative?
Lets have no passion for our ideas.
Lets always be politically correct.
Then we will all get plenty of sleep

 

I like your point of view... good manners and consideration is nice..... however when someone taunts and picks and purposely aggrivates for the purpose spreading hate and discontent then they have no business here.

But sometimes everyone is entitled to have a bad day... especially if they are normally civil. One bad day can escalate over several days into world war III.

It really helps to start with a clean slate when possible and put the dirty one in the background and not bring it out again unless the new one also gets dirty.... then its time for banning. But I've seen and been involved in situations that escalated to totally out of control levels that no one ever intended. Relationships get destroyed and everyone is sorry for what they said and wish it were as before the war.

Usually when someone causes offense that was over the line and there is remorse later it is appropiate to ask for an apology to those affected.

Its hard to eat crow, but it brings balance to ground taken illegally beforehand and really helps soften cold hearts.

I think everyone deserves the opportunity to start over if they desire it. If not, then no.

A good question for everyone to consider is "was this an isolated incident that got out of hand?....or is it a continual issue from day one?

This is really none of my business since I wasn't in the middle of it... but squid seemed like he had alot of good points to offer and was quite entertaining until things got bad.... I definately realize he comes from a different mold than I, but thats ok....

I didn't bother to see what happened... I don't really think its relevant if it was all a mistake in judgement. I guess you guys that were involved will have to judge that.

 

I will look forward to the update.

My opinion of FHOP has been seriously degraded.
I used to think of FHOP as simply a community forum for off topic threads of interest.
I barely paid any attention to the disclaimer of "free speech".
Now I think of it as unfriendly territory.

I have no problem with its continued existence in its current form and I really don't care what people discuss there or how much hostility they seek to draw out of each other.
I only want a reasonably simple way to lower my awareness of it.

I expected that the current version of the software and/or its configuration might not support this but, if nobody asks for stuff, then they won't get stuff.

 

Look, I could, COULD, post some stuff in an effort to further clarify such events, discuss responsibility, etc., but this has dragged on far enough.

If you want to go off on me, fine, I'm perfectly fine with it, for now, with respect to this case, send me a PM, and vent your disgust.

This sort of thing is just blowing on the embers...

 

The Supreme Court has said it can not define pornography but they know it when they see it. In this context is why we have moderators. When a line is crossed they have every right to deal with it as they feel but tempered with the owners values.

I remind Danny that Priuschat is his. It is his private site for the use of all who wish to participate. But that participation should be tempered by what Danny feels is appropriate participation. Just because this system is on the Internet does NOT mean that the 1st amendment trumps everything else. In fact, this system is a global system by definition and should be held to standards of a global nature not merely the 1st amendment (if Danny should agree).

The mere fact that this subject has reached the levels of anxiety it has should be enough of a clue that something needs to be addressed. People need guidelines (call them rules if you wish). This should not be as difficult to resolve as it appears to have become.

Danny....you own this system. My belief is you would have the support of the vast majority of the users on the system. Exercise your values. Just tell us so we can move on to more productive commentary.

Sincerely,

 

Some of these seem to be more suited for grade school rather than a board of educated individuals. I voted to allow the moderator to do as they have been. They seem to have a good sense with these things.

I like the spirited discussion that ocur here but agree that the thread got way out of hand. I know that it is going to be "interesting" if MS, either jack, rancid, maggie or galaxee are involved.

 

Hey, I'm with Squid on this one, and I'd like to take this opportunity to decline to acknowledge any responsibility for any incivility as well. I disagree with most of Squid's positions, but I have no problem at all about his expression of them (however occasionally obnoxious). At least so long as they stay in the flame house.

 

I voted "Other" and wished there was some choices that reflected a more negative attitude towards censorship for lack of a better word. I have been in LA for the last 2 1/2 weeks for some training classes and had no internet connections. Home on the weekends but little time to check my topic "How to destroy America" I wish I could but it seems to have been censored/readacted from the site. Too bad :angry: it was a worthwhile subject to discuss. If people behave badly and you don't wish to view there flame/rant ignore them. It doesn't take special software to ignore someone just ask my wife she has been ignoring my rants for 21 years. If it so overboard that it is highly offensive or just plain tasteless delete that post if possible and ask them to repost without the tasteless sections. But don't delete the entire topic because of a few bad apples.

Wildkow

p.s. sometimes the greatest enemy to our freedoms are ourselves and so I will signoff by stating the obvious. . .

"We have met the enemy and he is us."

 

Indeed

 

An old and true rule for diplomacy and difficult negotiations:

1) Stroke, don't strike;

2) Ask, don't accuse; and

3) Have the most patience and you will win every time.

When a person resorts to name calling, vulgar epithets and underhanded remarks, it is usually off the subject and reveals the person has nothing else constructive to offer. The best thing we can do at Priuschat is model what we want: courtesy, respect and clear, high quality exchange of information.

 

Huh?

Since when does arguing both sides of the coin mean you aren't interested in the sharing of ideas?

I'd say, getting into the other side's shoes indicates MORE interest of said ideas. Since when do you draw up guidelines regarding arguing and ideas thereof? Just saying, of course...

 

I agree with that wholeheartedly, if by "arguing", you mean presenting a logical case supported by evidence and challenging the substance of the case presented by the other side. (The only quibble I have is that saying "both sides" presumes there are exactly two, which with complex issues isn't always the case).

On the other hand, if someone "argues" by asserting a position and engaging in ad hominem attacks on anyone who supports an opposing position, then I don't think that person really learns very much about either side.