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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 3 2006, 12:54 PM) [snapback]234163[/snapback]</div>

I wanted to focus in on this statement for a sec....

IF this were the case, where is all the opposition? How come not one country came to Saddam's aid and provided him with battalions of troops? Where was HIS "coalition of the willing"?

Seems like a lot of talk, no action...

Wonder why....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 3 2006, 01:11 PM) [snapback]234176[/snapback]</div>

Ok, so what did they DO about it??? It's ONE thing to sit there and publicly state you're against the war, it's a whole other thing to actually act. Guess no one thought it was an egregious enough move to warrant physical action eh?

What am I missing here? You claim the WORLD was against the war/invading/etc., etc., etc., yet no one really did anything did they? I'm just trying to understand how so many people against something as such simply stand idly by...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Apr 3 2006, 10:12 AM) [snapback]234178[/snapback]</div>

I'm with you on this one Squid man.... :lol: They were in bed with him..... the typical mobster powers have strength because they have paid off the police, the government etc and its easier to play the game like they are trying to catch him, but in reality if they caught Capone, they were also cutting off their bread money... so only a very few honest police who fought against the current even tried at the risk of thier lives and livlihood.

Even so today... France and many others were making big bucks off of Saddam's Regime and it hurt thier economy to see him fall......
Since we were so far away and other various reasons, the reasons to take him down outweighed the reasons to let him play the game any longer.

Its funny how with one hand we condemn and with the other hand we do business with the same entity.

It was sickening watching the lame united nations get wined and dined and paraded around his compound... they gave tons of advance notice before they ever did any inspections and even then hung out in the palace most of the time and never did any real investigation.....
It was all a big party... a facod to impress the United States into backing off.

He had the United Nations in his pocket too...........

I'm definately not an expert on politics, but anybody who can't see that is blind.....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 3 2006, 01:26 PM) [snapback]234185[/snapback]</div>

You can protest all you want. No one goverment said, "Hey, here you go Saddam, here are 3 battalions of troops, and 15 migs, we are ALLIED with you on this great injustice..."

We all agree deeds are worth more than words right?

When we went into their neighborhood and started kicking down doors, no one came out to help... No one.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 3 2006, 11:53 AM) [snapback]234241[/snapback]</div>

Well Saddam was as good as any to hit.... you know Iran is next don't you?... and I'm sure you don't think they are doing anything to hurt us either.... poor little Iran... maybe we should just give them some gifts and presents as a reward for all thier good will towards us and the rest of the world?

You would be a scary guy to go into war with..... you wouldn't know who to shoot and who to kiss.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 3 2006, 02:53 PM) [snapback]234241[/snapback]</div>

No that's what YOU ARE saying, all I'm saying is the world did NOT come to Saddam's aid when this great "injustice" was being carried out. They sat on their hands and did nothing. If anything, (using your moral argument) is it not MORE morally "incorrect" to do nothing when you know an "innocent" person is going to be intentionally killed? From your standpoint, given what you've written, apparently, it isn't... But I can easily understand this, as you're coming from the totally-opposed-to-this-war viewpoint. There is no argument that will convince you otherwise.

Conversely, what did we DO when Kuwait was invaded? Sit around and protest what Saddam had done was wrong and immoral? By your stated logic, we should not have physically intervened in that situation.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 3 2006, 01:06 PM) [snapback]234274[/snapback]</div>

Jared, what will you do when someone breaks in your home at 3:00 in the morning and you catch them trying to take your little girl out the door?.. Will you try to negotiate with them?... what if you catch them and they have just killed her and are moving to your son next... will you have a meeting to talk peace?

We are not in Heaven yet, and we live here on Earth where there are alot of animalistic primal passions and drives at play...... The law of the jungle is that the strongest survive and the peace makers get killed. These laws are evident even in nature as well as mankind... we have not grown above it, but in fact are the worse at it.... mankind does far worse things to each other than animals do to each other.

When you are dealing with civilized people that respect life and liberty and the modern way of life, you can negotiate because both parties are fairly close in their value systems and viewpoints... but when you deal with savages that only see fear and weakness to thier advantage, you deal with them differently.

Even in the Bible, the Lord speaks of turning the other cheek, but the same Lord fashioned wars and lead his people into battle and even acclaimed himself to be "a man of war". (Exo 15:3 KJV) The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

There is a time for peace, yet there are times for war... if you try to have peace when its time for war, you will surely fail, and if you try to have war when its time for peace, you will also fail.

I'm starting to think by your blanket statements that under any circumstances you do not support war... if not for war, we would not be here in the Land of the Free... and you would not be able to spout off your comments "as nor I" for fear of instant reprisal and judgement.

Thats just the way it is... maybe its too deep for you to understand.. but life is in the blood and so the price of blood is what pays for life to set it free. Our history is ridded with blood..... if you have lived in a protected environment all your life, I can see why you don't understand war. Someone else already paid the price for you, so you don't have to experience it first hand.

When the gang kids come to take what you have... try talking peace to them and see what you get!
This is what has happened with Terrorism.... either you can face your fears or deal with them and conquer them... conquering them does not involve negotiating with them.

Until they understand that the path to least resistance is "not" to attack us, they will try.

The terrorists have run rampant so much in the Middle East that they are programmed to thinking that intimidation works.... they are used to dealing with faint hearted souls who cannot pay the price of battle gives into their demands. Once they gain so much power, the price is too high to challenge them... do you really want those kooks to get nuclear?

If you think going to war in our volutary war and then finding out you don't like the game is bad... try being forced into war over there or you and your whole family will be killed!.. thats what happens when no one pays the price to confront them beforehand... they do whatever they want, whenever they want, to who ever they want... the more you talk peace, the more they see you as a sucker and a weakness that should be irradicated off the face of the earth because they do not respect you. Isn't that what any self respecting bully does until big brother comes on the scene?

Thats why we have those who are peacemakers and we have warriors who are good at war....
No one with a right mind likes to kill another individual... but sometimes its them or you or your children.

I bet you don't like to kill and animal to eat either?.... does it bother your concious to take the life of a plant to eat?

Do you support the police?.. what about the judicial system?.... if so, they do your dirty work for you so you dont' have to get your hands dirty... its still a necessary evil to put evil men in there place...... thats 6 feet under.

If you don't support the police or the judicial system.. take them away for about 5 days and see what happens to your utopia?.......

Are you going to let people run over you all your life?..... why would you ask our country to do the same?

Don't you think enough is enough?.. they have almost totally destroyed free life in the Middle East with their rape and pillage lifestyle in the name of Ala.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Apr 3 2006, 06:38 PM) [snapback]234360[/snapback]</div>

until you define who your enemy is your points are invalid. Just don't tell me you watched George closely and that's how you know.
And as for the only way to have a Land of Free is by having a war, you are joking right?????????????????????
You are really funny. I always get kicks out of your posts.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hybridTHEvibe @ Apr 3 2006, 03:55 PM) [snapback]234368[/snapback]</div>

Your far too much of a left brain thinker.... can't you think with your heart?....If its not in words and defined it doesn't exist?

Tell me how you know your wife loves you or your kids... how do you know they didnt' learn it in a book and its all fake?...

Much of the reality of this world cannot be measured, defined, or bottled...

If you only believe what you can see and put on paper, you are missing so much....

How many television stations, sattelite, Am, Fm radio signals are hitting and pentrating your skull right now?.. yet you cannot percieve nor interpret them without special equipment, yet they are there...

Don't depend on your 5 senses to much... they don't tell you that much.

They say 90% of our communication is not with our mouth... if you can learn to read some of the other, you will be better off.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Apr 3 2006, 07:19 PM) [snapback]234385[/snapback]</div>

DUDE, if you are comparing "defining the enemy" to the feeling of love, you MUST be on CRACK!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hybridTHEvibe @ Apr 3 2006, 04:45 PM) [snapback]234393[/snapback]</div>

If your love has never gotten past a feeling, your still young and haven't developed intuition yet.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Apr 4 2006, 01:21 AM) [snapback]234575[/snapback]</div>

DUDE, you are on CRACK!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hybridTHEvibe @ Apr 3 2006, 03:55 PM) [snapback]234368[/snapback]</div>

First, I would like to understand why his point is invalid until he "defines" who his enemy is? Can you explain your point?

Second name a country that is free without having a war or some type of armed conflict. If not a reasonable assumption is that you can not have a "Land of Free" or peace without war or some type of bloodshed.

I have found that most if not all of your rebuttals or better yet diatribes against statements you don’t agree with lack a counterpoint or if they do they don't make any sense. You lace them with epithets or singularly disparaging remarks against fellow members. As such you reveal yourself as a non-critical thinker that has nothing of import to say and wishes to only spew useless, nonsensical, irrational and insulting remarks, surely you can do better?

If you can’t answer these two simple requests I consider your method of discourse with others here second class and far below the standard expected on PChat.

Wildkow

p.s. Please don't disappoint the members of this board. Some are beginning to suspect that you are French! Especially [you].

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wildkow @ Apr 5 2006, 01:34 AM) [snapback]235106[/snapback]</div>

Wildcow,

I find it very amusing that you expect other posters to behave in a manner that you yourself can't fulfill. You're being VERY far from delivering the required standard yourself. Hypocrite!

You always leave posts unanswered when it fits your scheme of "CRITICAL THINKING"

Do you still conclude that USA have saved and rebuild Poland, Slovak Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Slovenia,
Romania, Lithuania, Estonia and others. during and aftermath of the WWII?

As you have stated that "WE HAVED SAVED EVERYBODY'S nice person DURING WWII"!

Come to think of it you have never even clearly admitted to any of your fallacy in your diatribe!
What about Portugal, Spain and Turkey? Argentina, rest of South America, Central America were they saved as well?

You only were able to submit neutrality of Switzerland and Sweden after my continuous questioning of your chauvinistic jingoism.

Your CRITICAL THINKING has failed you big time in this case and you have no guts whatsoever to ADMIT it!

Keep marching, keep flag waving, as all of those are the last resorts of the "scoundrel"

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Apr 3 2006, 02:30 PM) [snapback]234230[/snapback]</div>

Where do you think most of the "insurgents", especially their leaders, came from in 2003 and 2004? Outside of Iraq. Did the countries these "outside agitators" came from do everything they could to stop those fanatics from crossing the borders? Not really.

The situation is too complex to use the "dictatorship vs. freedom" argument to chose sides. Of course just about everyone didn't support Saddam and his regime, most Muslims included.

The insurgents see themselves as defenders of sacred soil and of other "true believers". They didn't, and don't, support Saddam as much as they want "invader America", out.

I'm not saying they're right. This is the point of view of the individual fanatics who are killing Iraqi civilians and western soliders. They think we butt in where we don't belong.

Leaders who don't listen to the protests of their people and have no regard for the law are called dictators. It's not easy to be a dictator in most nations with large segements of "well-off" populations. Heck, it's not easy for the Saudi family to control their countrymen, even members of their own families. They're losing their grip, they're lousy dictators.


And why should we pay any attention to a mangy group of "outside agitators", foreigners, in Iraq, and not the yammerings of the leaders of nations?

Because the insurgents are winning.

We are poised to lose the war in Iraq. And if we lose...oh man. I don't want to think about the effects on the real War, the one on Terror.