Recent cross country trip

You took a shot of the screen on the tesla, didn't you? That's close enough to qualify as a screen shot.

 

VW cheating for so long without getting caught is an exception. Which likely because they were cheating on the emissions, not fuel economy. Ford and Hyundai were investigated faster because consumers complain about MPG.

Public chargers in some jurisdictions can't charge per kWh. An in depth report would include pricing per time, and charging times. Then there is tiered rates at some chargers for slower charge rates to consider.

That is a lot of detail, and work, for an overview article when the vast majority of charging is done at home.

 

You keep saying that, but where are the studies that show that the vast majority of BEV charging is done at home? Since you can't commute to work and charge at home at the same time, one or the other has to give. If they are only charging at home on the weekend in California, then that brings them into the punitive rates of up to 50 cents per kWh.

 

Where are the studies showing they aren't charging mostly at home? Or even ones where most BEV owners need to charge the car from empty to full everyday?

If you are going to consider the tiered rates in a local market, then you should consider those car owners with home solar. Even the legacy Teslas with free Supercharger access, or those taking advantage of free charging.

Again, this is outside the scope of a web blog and moving into research study.

 

Troll, it sounds like you are saying that it's just a blog and isn't really valid. I agree with that. At the same time, it appears that you are just guessing that "vast majority of charging is done at home" since you deflected my question with a question instead of backing up your assertion with an authoritative source.

A quick search shows that about 57% charge solely at home. even though that's a lot, it certainly is not a VAST MAJORITY.

 

Much higher than expected. Survey source?

We charge "only" ~95% at home, almost 100% off peak. Have spoken with dozens of EV drivers and yes, the vast majority add the large majority of their kWh at home.

 

Sources?

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_charging_home.htmlhttps://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_charging_home.html

How much charging infrastructure do electric vehicles need? 
A review of the evidence and international comparison - ScienceDirect

https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-Behavior/EV-Consumer-Behavior-Report.pdf

 

1st link not working on my end.

3rd link:

EV drivers tend to recharge daily or once every two days, typically overnight at home, and overall, about 70-80% of charging occurs at home or at a workplace parking lot.
​

 

Yep, according to the third one, 70-80% are charging at home or work. The number that charge exclusively at home are in the "about 57%" category.

 

Good, so you agree with @Trollbait that "the vast majority of charging is done at home"

the California Air Resources Board estimates that upwards of 85 percent of EV charging occurs at home (California Air Resources Board (2020))
​

Have seen a range of guesstimates. These authors estimate 67 percent of charging occurs at home:

​

http://rapson.ucdavis.edu/uploads/8/4/7/1/84716372/bbrw_paper_nber_final.pdf

 

There have been numerous surveys that ask this question.
I've owned a Prius plugin (2012-now), Nissan Leaf (2015 - 2018) and Tesla M3 (2018 - now).
I've gotten at least a dozen surveys via email that ask how, when and where I charge along with lots of other questions. So the data is out there.

Another way to figure out where people are charging is by using a little bit of reasoning.
Numerous studies, for decades, show that on average most people only drive 20-40 miles per day.
Sure, some do less, and some do more. But if you are driving 40 miles per day...that is almost 15K miles per year. If you are only driving 20 miles, then turning around and going 20 miles home why would you stop to charge somewhere and waste your time and not go home? Maybe only if it was at work or if it was free.
Or if you can't charge at home (in which case you probably haven't bought an EV yet).

Since "most" people have a cheaper electric rate at home than paying fast charge rates they would logically charge at home: cheaper, easier, don't need to wait. Cheaper because they have solar or TOU plans or EV rates.

Mike

 

The article could have been much better if the author would have included the cost per mile for a similar ICE car and not repeated the same paragraphs of text for each model and just put it all into one, properly formatted table.

Some other silliness:

Why even write this? Might as well ask if Ferrari's are accessible for everyone or F-150 luxury trucks.

In the description of L1, L2, L3 and Destination chargers. Just put the number of KW each can provide, such as:

L1: 1.2 - 2.4 kw
L2: 1 to 19 kw usually 6-7 kw
L3: Tesla 120, 150 and 250 kw (some standards 50 kw); CCS up to 350 kw
Destination: 22 kw

Yes, lots of numbers and you'd want a table to show some charging times.
But he doesn't mention that, primarily for L3, you don't get the full rate for very long. So show an example kw vs time graph.

Mike

 

I wasn't talking of those that solely charge at home, but that most of those that make use of fast chargers do so infrequently. So the higher cost of those chargers only adds a small amount to total fuel costs.

 

Nope. That's not what he said. He said that they charged ONLY at home. I pointed out indirectly) that the large number of Teslas have skewed the statistics thanks to widespread supercharges and mutliple promotions that gave away free energy.

Then there is my quote that said "70-80% are charging at home or work." and Iplug's reply "so you agree with @Trollbait that "the vast majority of charging is done at home""

Which reminds me of a joke, If a pollster goes to Iplugs street and asked each person: "Have you seen Iplug or your wife naked" and 70% say yes, would Trollbait say that the vast majority of the people where Iplug lives have seen him naked?

 

Still false, only you claimed he said that.

 

Arg! You are right. I confused the content of two different threads. My apologies to all involved.