Received my invitation to order a Model 3 today

The new Highlander hybrid is coming next year, to be built in Texas. That could be the start of finally getting a hybrid pickup.

 

...to the point where you are describing basically every automaker except GM. We have all witnessed how much Nissan has pushed for the same thing you describe. The efforts from BMW are quite noteworthy too. As for Toyota, there clearly isn't a motive of maximizing profit.

The reason for this exercise is to get those involved to step back and look at the bigger picture of how change takes place. Tesla deserves recognition for their efforts, but it isn't the only automaker providing contributions. Tesla is a player on the team, just like Toyota and the others. Some offerings obviously reach certain markets better than others. That's confirmation of multiple leaders.

It's the king-of-the-hill nonsense obscuring overall purpose... hence consideration of mission statements.

 

This might be sacrilege at PriusChat, but they are currently evaluating my 2012 Prius C as a trade-in. It's been over 5 days. On the other hand, Carvana was able to give me a figure in minutes (I made my order deposit on March 23, 2018).

 

“They” being Tesla?
Have you made the configuration and order yet?
When you first place your order, there should be a section on your Tesla account page asking if you plan to trade in a vehicle.
If you check ‘yes’, there will be a note that they will reach out to you closer to the delivery date for additional information.
For us, that was active once we got our VIN, which was about a week before delivery.

Last I knew, Tesla uses a third party for non-Tesla vehicles. Perhaps car-max?
The general rule is you can get more money from a private sale than trade-in.

 

Perfect, now we've got some cryptic Tesla Troll, Trolling the Toyota forum.
I guess misery loves company

 

this is a tesla thread in 'other cars' forum, not toyota. you must have clicked the wrong link.

 

I expect Toyota can catch up on plg ins when they want too. The thing is that if everybody took this slow approach, we wouldn't have plug ins on the market now. We'd likely still be driving ICEs with a few hybrids while waiting for hydrogen FCEVs.

The LS 500h starts at a higher price than the Model S. Toyota was likely going to price the iQ EV with just a 50 mile range near $40k.

The system in the LS 500h was likely developed for a truck.

To have a chance at significant sales, a hybrid truck will need to be RWD, and an independent rear suspension could be viewed as a con by potential buyers.

 

i wonder what percentage of pick up drivers would care about a hybrid. might work better in suburbmoms.

 

Sadly, some suburb moms ARE pickup drivers.

 

Around here, and I imagine in MN as well, it seems like all moms think they have to drive a big SUV around.

 

same here. will they be interested in less pollution, renewable energy, better mpg's, who knows?

 

There is enough of them, or the need to meet stricter CAFE standards, that has Ford releasing a full parallel hybrid F150 in 2020. A diesel one comes out very soon, and all the current gas engines have start/stop standard.

Outside of rental companies, trucks tend to be commonly bought for business use, and those customers will care about operating costs.

 

1) I do not believe so. Tesla's advertised price includes the tax credit; the true MSRP is what Tesla lists + $7500.

2) We know what Lexus compacts an midsizes are priced at. We know that they are fairly inelastic in terms of price / market segment. While you're right it's not set in stone, it's certainly more reliable data than any of Elon's claims.

3) Rumors/concept cars are exactly as (im)material as the Model Y is -- wishful thinking until they're available for sale at car lots.

...I am. Model Y production line hasn't even started, which means it won't be out by 2019.

Just like Model 3, Model X, Model S, and Roadster before it, the Model Y will arrive a minimum of 1.5 years later than claimed.

For sure, Toyota's snail pace is infuriating. Something ~halfway between Tesla's pace and Toyota's would likely be ideal.

for businesses there is only one number that matters, cost per mile.

how many truck sales are for actual work vs lifted bro-dudes is anyone's guess.[/QUOTE]

 

I'm way ahead of you. Photos were submitted last Saturday through Tesla's own mobile upload site. Tesla does their own evaluations now (perhaps they contract with someone, but it's transparent on one's order management page). Most comments about the new trade-in process show offers being generated within hours rather than days. Just bad luck, I suppose, or they instituted some changes recently (the trade-in value is good for 30 days or 1000 miles). Anyhow, the offer came through today, and Carvana is almost $900 better. I imagine I'll have a hard time getting more than $6400 for this 70k mile 2012 Prius C in even a private sale at this stage (I'm in a semi-rural area as well). I'm hoping to complete both the Carvana sale and Model 3 pickup on the same day next week (Thursday). It's only been 2 years and (almost) 1 month that this process started.

 

This is incorrect. The prices listed by Tesla for the Model 3 do not include the tax credit.

Great to hear they did come through with the offer. Mine took a day. We will have to see how long my wife's offer takes in a couple weeks when her's gets close

In our case, in MN, we only pay sales tax on the difference between the price of the new car minus the trade-in value the 'dealer' paid. So for us, even if they don't pay as much, it saves us a chunk of the sales taxes, which makes it worth it.

 

Ah, looks like most states offer that as well. It appears the tax savings would still come out less than what I get for selling to Carvana: States That Allow Trade-in Tax Credit