Featured Reasons behind the slowness of EVs adoption in US

LOL

 

Wikipedia says this about minivans:
"The minivan combines a high-roof, five-door one- or two-box hatchback body configuration with a mid-size platform, engine and mechanicals; car-like handling and fuel economy; unibody construction; front-wheel or all-wheel drive and greater height than sedan or station wagon counterparts.

The Mazda5 has five doors (two sliding) in a hatchback configuration on a compact platform (yet, it's classed as a mid-size vehicle) with car-like handling and fuel economy, unibody construction and front-wheel drive. It's taller than my Prime by 6 inches.

It also says the first real minivan was the 1984 Dodge Caravan, which had a wheelbase of 2,847mm and was available with a 2.2L or 2.5L I4. The Mazda5 has a wheelbase of 2,750mm and has a 2.5L I4.

So, it's only 3.8 inches shorter in wheelbase than the first true minivan.

Autotrader calls it a minivan: Autotrader - page unavailable

It's got all the characteristics of a minivan - sliding doors, three rows, car-like performance, higher roof than a sedan. It's just a small minivan, rather than a humongous minivan like a Sienna.

 

50 yes - 30 no ..... but our first Tesla had both,


as well as others. that's pretty cool - camping in a Tesla, as you have Shore power at campgrounds. Either heat or AC all night. I still recall when they added the camping mode over the air update, which allowed you to have your car off but 120v receptacle / heating / AC still working.
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So let me understand. You are suggesting that people (mass market) will get a PHEV and desire opportunistic fast charging up to 19.2kw at home in order to save money on time-of-use rates? At 240 volts, the max most homes can support, that would be 80 amps. How much do you think it would cost to install this and buy the EVSE? Especially in a home that has only 100 amp service.

How often would you need to use this in order to break even compared to a 40amp device...saving maybe an extra 10 or 15 miles of EV range per use?

How many PHEVs do you think are going to support 19.2kw charging?

Mike

 

iirc i3 (bob can correct) has the highest charge rate, 10kW? Volt - out of production moved up to 7.2kW. And several other manufacturers have now moved up to 6.6 ..... so it's kind of dependent on how big the pack is, as manufacturers fear charging reasonably fast, even though they obviously have to discharge with some degree of speed - even more than changing. When a phev charges AND discharges faster, that's 2 sources of heat creation, which, unless it's liquid cooled, is going to work against longevity. Then, liquid cooling increases manufacturers cost, so, decisions get made to keep 'em cheap & let the capacity loss cards land where ever they land.
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rid of what?

 

No, I'm just pointing out the range of opportunity available. Likely, only a small number will actually do that. Awareness helps adoption.

 

Calm my friends. Early adopters of the Gen-1 Prius had lessons to learn and as a buyer of a Gen-1 in 2005, I did too.

I can’t fix the ignorance of others ... just my own. I share my lessons learned but have no expectations that others will gain insights from my posts. Just sharing facts and data.

I crossed “the great divide” with my ability to handle the challenges. If others choose a different path, go with no criticism by me. GOOD LUCK.

Bob Wilson

 

It took until this morning to remember what I had been thinking of.

CHAdeMO Adapter

Tesla's CCS adapter enables Model S and X to charge up 120 kW, will not be standard [Updated] - Electrek

So, my mistake, but the same problem exists.

 

It isn't a problem, it's an option for those in which the Supercharger network isn't enough. Considering the fastest CHAdeMO out on the street aren't even half the rate of a Supercharger, this just stop gap solution until more Superchargers come online.

Without this adapter, Tesla's still can use Level 2 public chargers if needed. Which is the only option other BEVs have when the available DC charger isn't their standard.

Then considering the cost increase of having both CCS and CHAdeMO on a charger is tiny, there not being a charger in first place is the more common issue. An issue that only applies for those using BEVs for long trips.

The availability of this adapter would like getting the ability to burn diesel in a gasoline car.

 

if it's a problem for you, it's a problem

 

No, it's a problem.

If *any* adapters exist, it means there are multiple standards, and that means difficulty for consumers.

USB-A, USB-mini, USB-micro, Thuderbolt, and USB-C are an example. It's taken until about now to finally get some convergence toward USB-C replacing everything - USB-micro, Thunderbolt, mini-DisplayPort, DisplayPort, and all the power connectors.

Imagine if different houses in the US had different wall outlets and different appliances supported different wall outlet standards. You'd need to have adapters handy to deal with the fact that your vacuum or computer power adapter doesn't plug into your wall outlet. Annoying.

Maybe Tesla will abandon their plug and switch to CCS worldwide, leading to the demise of CHAdeMO and J-1772 (only) over time. Seems like that's happening in Europe.

 

not that adapters aren’t anything more than a red herring, CHAdeMO is the default adapter in Japan so no, it won't disappear.
CCS in Europe is way more common than CHAdeMO - so naturally Tesla would come up with an adapter that works on that format. Hard to say how standard it is though, as the UK iirc is running 50 hertz? Similarly not positive about all the varying EU countries. But in the realm of dissimilar formats, there you go, even delivery of electricity is all over the board. Japan is the worst example, being different voltages and whatnot from one Province to another.

for some - it's a problem, even though it doesn't apply to them, because they aren't even a user, much less the one percenters.

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Apparently, Tesla Model 3's delivered to Europe come with the CCS connector built-in instead of the Tesla connector.

Tesla confirms Model 3 is getting a CCS plug in Europe, adapter coming for Model S and Model X - Electrek

 

This is one of many reasons I'm not a user. This type of thing turns off consumers, and isn't that the sort of thing this thread is about, exactly?

 

I agree that differing standards are a negative for some consumers. But it certainly isn't the catastrophe you make it out to be.
EVs are penetrating the market at incredible speeds, worldwide, considering the magnitude of change they require.
And while you may have your own reasons for not adopting a BEV, many others find those issues either unimportant or minor compared to all the advantages.

You seem to be grasping at straws though. For your own sake, I would suggest you learn more, and speak more carefully. Hearing a news piece about DC adapters and translating that into Tesla not offering a free adapter for the 2nd level chargers is how one gets a reputation for spreading FUD.

 

building 5000-7000 plugins a week - apparently it's not enough turned off users to amount to a hill of beans. Just the one percenters. It's a good thing 1% are turned off, because they can only build them so fast ..... don't need the customer lines to be any longer than they already are

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I think you two just aren't paying attention.

EVs are 2% of the market or so. So, the "1% [who] are turned off" looks more like 98% to me.

Trust me, if EVs were superior, they'd be 80-90% of the market in no-time (and from all manufacturers), just like how digital cameras demolished film cameras in just a few years.

 

OMG....this guy (palm to face)