Featured Reasons behind the slowness of EVs adoption in US

they don't know it, so it doesn't matter. range, they know. cost, they know. they can make informed decisions based on those and other factors, and many are.

 

The range and cost problems are caused by the lack of energy density. Think about it - if energy density were four times higher and cost were the same per unit of mass, then you could have four times the range for the same cost or the same range for 1/4th the battery cost.

 

semantics, i'm fine with it. but let's circle back: jmo, it doesn't suck.

 

The "power plant" in your Mazda is a heater, which provides a bit of motive power.
When you are throwing away 3/4 of the energy of the fuel as useless heat does it really matter that the fuel starts out with more energy density?

 

Well, the engine/fuel tank in my 1988 Mazda was four times better and lasted 31 years before I sold it, still running like brand-new. 30 years of development and state-of-the-art technology can't come close to that, and that sucks.

 

It does because it's *production* of energy is still four times more than the best batteries (over 800Wh/kg), despite losing all that energy to heat.

 

i'll let you have the last word, it seems important to you

 

Let me put it this way.

If batteries didn't "suck", an extended range Model 3 would cost around $7,000 less and a base would cost around $5,000 less. Think that would make a difference?

The Base would be $29,500 instead of $35,000 and the ER would be $37,500 instead of $44,500.

I'd call that a major difference.

 

perhaps one needs to consider efficiency. The Wright brothers plane was far from efficient, despite the density of the fuel. PV stored electrons are non-carcinogenic, nor are wars fought over thwm. But whatever works for folks.
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Yes, it's amazing that a 15-20% efficient solution can still dominate on total energy output despite the huge losses.

That's why it's going to be really, really hard to get to the point of electric airliners. The power of jets and the total energy of jet fuel are both absolutely enormous. The engines on a plane like a 777 can be thought of as 50MW each, in cruise, or thereabouts. Now sustain that for 16 hours and you've got 1,600,000 kWh of storage in those tanks. Batteries that can store that would weigh 10 times what the entire plane weighs.

 

Is it J1772 or CHAdeMO?

Mike

 

Yeah....and IIRC airliners are still < 50% "efficient." depending on what you call "efficient."

Perhaps someday after the 'lectric car conquers tractor-trailers and solar scales up.....

 

Yeah, that is probably true. My point was that the current L2 chargers being installed (except at home) barely count as long term infrastructure when you look a decade ahead. Only high speed chargers on the interstate really count. PHEVs do not ever, IMO, push that long term infrastructure...they kick that can down the road.

Mike

 

In ~3 months my PIP will be 7 years old. I have often done a second or third charge per day and really wanted a faster charger. But in reality the number of EV miles I've given up because I couldn't charge fast enough is a few hundred. And, of course the PIP doesn't even charge that fast.

With the Tesla M3 I've been able to ignore the self imposed PIP EV range anxiety.
My battery has only gone under 100 miles remaining a few times and under 50 once.

Mike

 

What does that have to do with the mainstream market so many years later? All an early-adopter can really do effectively is demonstrate the technology, proving it delivers well from an engineering perspective. Your heighted awareness alone cancels out any chance of you sharing a similar ownership experience with typical consumers.

You're looking at it backward. Again, know your audience. There are electricity providers all around the country gearing up to do the push. As a PHEV owner, it's just a matter of taking them up on the upgrade opportunity. They want you to use more electricity, to get on their time-of-use programs, to want your next vehicle purchase to rely on electricity even more.

 

Another article contradicting slow growth of plug-ins

Tesla will overrun traditional car companies because they still aren’t moving fast enough - MarketWatch

So - apparently the folks at MarketWatch think the op is full of it

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CHAdeMO or ICS.

 

pure guesswork and opinion. ev's will grow slowly enough that anyone can play catch up if they so choose.
in the meantime, they'll do everything they can to stop tesla from killing the golden goose.

o/p was pretty much spot on.

 

Parked our Standard Range Plus Model 3 on the driveway about 4:30 PM (CST).

Bob Wilson

 

pics or it didn't happen