1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

QOTD: Why Hasn’t Anyone Out-Gas Mileaged The Prius?

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by ftl, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    22,466
    11,773
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    They also have cute little BEVs now.
     
  2. HGS

    HGS Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2015
    307
    122
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    In 5 or 10 years many cars will be "talking" to each other for traffic flow and to prevent accidents. Airliners have been doing that for many years. It's called (TCAS) Traffic Collision Avoidance System.

    It's like the two car computers saying to each other, "you turn left and I'll turn right, and we won't hit each other"

    Maybe that would help with texting and driving.
     
  3. 3PriusMike

    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2009
    3,029
    2,369
    0
    Location:
    Silicon Valley
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    That assumes that the driver who is texting has also properly used his/her turn signals. :)

    Mike
     
  4. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,769
    5,252
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    That's quite optimistic. How many new cars sold today don't even have a screen? And how that do also have internet?

    Sadly, it always takes an extra generation just to establish enough of a base for the "new" to get accepted.
     
  5. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    45,028
    16,245
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Future Toyota Integrated Safety Systems (2015 Edition) | PriusChat

    Toyota to Bring Vehicle-Infrastructure
    Cooperative Systems to New Models in 2015 | TOYOTA Global Newsroom


    Watch the videos :). Just remember that "right turn" is our "left turn" because Japan is RHD.

    Nissan is also working on V2V communications and intersection communication.
     
    austingreen likes this.
  6. HGS

    HGS Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2015
    307
    122
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Vehicle-infrastructure Cooperative Systems Using Dedicated ITS Communications Bandwidth

    Cars "talking" to each other, that's exactly what I was talking about. At some point in the future all cars will have this as standard equipment, just like air conditioning is.
     
  7. austingreen

    austingreen Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    13,602
    4,136
    0
    Location:
    Austin, TX, USA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
    In the US its proposed as a short range wireless system, it could probably be rolled out first at dangerous intersections. It could be accererated with smart phone apps before it gets built into new cars.
    NHTSA V2V Communications
     
  8. 3PriusMike

    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2009
    3,029
    2,369
    0
    Location:
    Silicon Valley
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    To me this sounds like a hacker's best friend. What is to stop someone from just building all the proper electronics into a small box that then emits whatever signals the designer wants? It could mimic being multiple cars. There are now 6 cars wanting to merge left...and the whole lane opens up for you to pass through. Or, I am a large firetruck, slow and move to the side of the road.

    IMO, this is a very dangerous concept. I'm all for computer vision and laser-based self-driving and computer-assisted driving. But there is no way to make V2V communications secure enough. Anyone can get a hold of a bunch of wrecked cars and do whatever they want with all the "official" and "secure" transmitters...and they will. Let me repeat that. They will.

    Mike
     
    bwilson4web likes this.
  9. austingreen

    austingreen Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    13,602
    4,136
    0
    Location:
    Austin, TX, USA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
    These are collision detection warnings. You can still go if the car tells you there is danger. V2V is not the same as self driving cars. The more dangerous is the smart following feature. you could hack the box so that a radar cruise control unit benind would get told you are speeding up when actually slowing down. If you added some stealth gear to the rear of your car, you win the insurance money when that distracted mercedes or cadilac driver lets his car crash into yours.

    Yes more realistically you could hack a ambullance mode, where you could skate by on the left and pass people. Not sure if this is worse than the db doing it today, but there is less chance of a collision.
     
  10. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    45,028
    16,245
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    The way I interpreted those videos, they're mostly information systems. They do not directly control the car. They simply send information notifying you. Sure, someone could hack it and "have fun" with it, sending erroneous messages but the driver is in control of the car and can see if there is a car approaching or pedestrian crossing and choose to ignore the message.
     
  11. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,225
    50,088
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    by the time these cars get here, will anyone have out mpg'ed the prius?
     
    ftl likes this.
  12. HGS

    HGS Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2015
    307
    122
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Nissan claims they will have a car that drives its self by 2020. The experts disagree exactingly what that means. Most experts say a car that will drive someone that does not know how to drive a car, or one that will take your kids to school is decades away.
     
  13. austingreen

    austingreen Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    13,602
    4,136
    0
    Location:
    Austin, TX, USA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
    google is far along on testing. They do have more work today. I was entertained that they still are figuring out bikes.
    A Cyclist's Track Stand Befuddled One of Google's Self-Driving Cars

    Tesla is far along on autopilot. That is a much easier level. The driver is still involved, but the car assists, by slowing or warning to avoid accidents. I'm not sure what level nissan is shooting for now. Apple is also working on it.