PriusChat prepares for more traffic - Gas to go up by $0.25

Re: PriusChat prepares for more traffic - Gas to go up by $0

I don't think so,my wife would't go for those.She likes her Tahoe to much. At least she works in town and only drives about 2-3 miles to work.Being in a small town,doesn't put many miles on your vehicle. At least my MR2 gets about 26-28mpg since I drive about 54 miles a day.

And please don't laugh to hard at me Dave, as I am filling her SUV.The price at the pump will be enough for me to cry

 

ooops... guess i should have read the new posts first before posting my thread about paying over 4 cents a mile for the first time since early December...

 

Re: PriusChat prepares for more traffic - Gas to go up by $0

Sam's broke through $2 today.
Just an observation regarding ExxonMobil's 4th qtr record earnings; Only in America can an increase in the cost of inputs (crude oil) lead to increased, and in this case worldwide, record earnings. I wonder how that happens?

 

Re: PriusChat prepares for more traffic - Gas to go up by $0

Mann I was there a few month ago and I feel for you. I felt the pain even though I only filled up one time. Ouch and double Ouch.

 

Re: PriusChat prepares for more traffic - Gas to go up by $0

My other vehicle is a Dodge Ram. I have a camper in the back. I may not be able to go camping htis year. We were planing on Glacier NP. At $2/gallon, I could deal with a $700 gas bill. But $3 would cost $1000 or more in gas for the trip.

Some people may be shrugging at $3 gas, but it's ruining my camping trips. And I'm too old to sleep in a tent on the ground, not to mention my wife's bad hip. And what happens when groceries get too expensive because trucking fees go up due to gas prices? We'll all suffer.

NOBODY should be shrugging at high gas prices just because they have a prius. We are ALL in this together.

 

No, but we better get used to it. 10 years from now, we're going to look at $2.50 a gallon as pretty cheap.

 

personally, i think we have had it too good for too long.

i think we need to feel the pain suffered by the rest of the world. i think its pathetic that we are not leading the movement towards better and more economical vehicles. and the reason why we dont lead the movement is because we have no reason to.

let gas be $5 a gallon and see how many are driving them SUV's then.

 

I know how you feel, mine costs just as much to fill up with diesel and my wife drove it on some silly business the other day, did NOT put the fuel back in, just drove the 30.00 dollars of fuel out of it.

 

Actually, the world price for a barrel of oil costs the same everywhere. At the pump, its the local taxes imposed by the government of a nation and some additional distribution costs.

So, suffering like the socialist states of Europe where the employment rate is 12% does not appeal to Americans.

But we can make the case for taxes on fossil fuels to rise and production to go up.

 

Fundamentally, an oil producing country should have to show that $50 a barrel is costing them money instead of making them some. THEN I'd say more money is warranted.

Running low on reserves? NOT a good reason to jack up the price.

Not running low, but just want to piss us off for perceived slights to their culture (Argentina included)? NOT a good reason.

Anyway, the station where I got gas for $1.77 on Friday was still $1.77 on Saturday when I got to work, but when I left 1-1/2 hours later it was $1.86. One just down the street is $1.89. HAven't been to the cheap side of town lately, but I doubt it's so cheap now...

 

I saw 1.91 at my regular filling station today. I'm at two bars now, so I'll be filling the car on the way home from work, as it'll be down to one, if not flashing by the time I'm back in that direction this evening. Oh well, it'll be closer to $20 than usual for the week's fillup.

 

Re: PriusChat prepares for more traffic - Gas to go up by $0

Around here it's around $1.99-2.06 a gallon. Just waiting for it to go down :lol:

 

Re: PriusChat prepares for more traffic - Gas to go up by $0

I think its a VERY good reason, because you ignored the other part of the famous Supply and Demand equation: Demand for gasoline is at an all time high and shows no signs of letting up.

Also, it so happens that oil refineries are at nearly 100% capacity right now, and it takes 10 years to build and get all the permits for a new refinery. So increasing production will not do any good - that increase will get stuck at the refinery, unprocessed.

 

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Well, gee, if I were them, I wouldn't play this kind of game because there is NO good reason not to screw them over royally once the oil IS gone. Just go, and take everything of value they have, or just declare their money invalid and let them try to buy food somewhere. Glow-in-the-dark holes where cities used to be. That sort of thing.

Sure, it'll be nasty, but well-deserved...
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Didn't you lose 10 MPG by putting on those low-profile wheels and "performance" tires?

Yes, put the stock wheels and tires back on ... pronto.

I've never been impressed by exotically expensive wheels and "performance" tires. I just don't get it.

H***, I only lost around 4 MPG on the highway with my very soft, squishy, and aggressive Dunlop Graspic DS-2 winter tires. At city speeds, no difference at all.

I'll happily trade the 4 MPG for safer driving on glare ice and deep snow, the city streets were treacherous this winter.

 

yeah.. but i needed the extra traction.. which these tires gave me.. i also do a lot of on and off ramps.. i like to grip to the road... ther eare many factors why i purchased them. Unfortunetly they got scratched when i installed them :/ .. so.. yeah.. but they are SOOO much heavier than the stock tires.. they are also the lightest tires i could find.. *shrug* yeah.. i should put them back on. BUT... i'm broke and unless this ******* job picks up more, i'll stay in debt... well.. once i buy new threads for the stock rims, then i'll br broke once again. i hope nothing serious happens in my life that requires cash... i would be screwed.

 

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Robert:

That brings up a very good point. Folks are still applying Free Market principles to the oil "market." This is NOT a free market. Repeat, *not* a free market.

Global oil trade is a Monopoly with OPEC setting prices.

True, the refineries tack on surcharges. You can look up many fascinating texts on the production of distillates from crude oil to determine what the yield is for a barrel of oil.

One thing I notice driving in the United States, unless this has changed, is that there used to be a sticker by the pump display. Along the lines of "State and Local taxes make up $0.18175" or some such number.

I've often heard and read comments from folks who wonder why the United States can't have highways like the German Autobahn. Because we're not willing to pay for it, that's why.

If you compare a mile of Autobahn to a mile of Interstate:

-The Autobahn cost 3 times as much to build

-The Autobahn costs twice as much to maintain.

I suppose we could add $1-$2 per gallon to fund something like the Autobahn right here, but who could then afford to drive on it?

I believe in a previous thread you commented on how - after adjusted to inflation and currency devaluation - the price per gallon would have to be around $3.50 to equal 1980 prices.

What happened during the 90's was weird, the price per gallon went *down* while most other parts of the world it stayed the same. I suppose Clinton can thank this for his economic "miracle" as folks rushed out to buy large gas guzzling SUV's and campers.

I don't miss my pickup one bit. The Prius is far more practical and economical for city driving.

 

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Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you feel about democracy), that price would last exactly until the next election.

 

If you want to invoke the "Supply and demand" theory then why, after higher demand relents, like after summer vacations don't gas prices go down to pre-demand prices??? I don't buy that theory in gas pricing cases. It is corporate greed pure and simple. Furthermore, corporations must be made to pay their fair share of income taxes. Their trucks tear up our nation's roads disproportionally to individual auto usage, but they do not pay a proportional share of the road tax. They are making a buck off of our backs and not contributing to the extent individuals are.

 

Re: PriusChat prepares for more traffic - Gas to go up by $0

John:

You mean the "ratchet effect?"

because oil is a legal monopoly and they don't have to, that's why.