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Prius Gen 1 Issue (2003)

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    I have been watching videos and I note that there are two leads that come off the battery unit. Is one of the recommendations to simply pull the main fuse and then just clean those two leads? Looks like they are pretty easier to get to.

    All the voltages at least look good I think?
     
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    No, the two main wires under the rear seat don't cause an issue.

    Without pulling the battery you can check a couple connectors under the carpet in the trunk for corrosion. Before doing anything always pull the orange safety plug.

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    Remove the battery cover to access the other battery ECU connectors.

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    Can I remove the battery cover without removing the battery from the car? It does not look too crazy to remove except for weight but looking at options.

    When I wrote "Main Fuse," I meant "Orange Safety Plug." I think some videos called it a fuse.
     
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    That's fair. There is a fuse in it.
     
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    Yes, but it's about the same amount of work as removing the battery.
     
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    Except for the last part where you don't remove the battery.
     
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    I could get a used Battery Control Module for $62 with S&H. Not expensive as car repairs go and ready to go if I cannot clean the contacts.
    Is the module inside the cover or outside the cover? It looks inside from the videos but cannot be 100% sure.

    Also, if I clean the contacts on the battery itself, would it be easier to remove the battery from the car?
     
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    Inside the cover. I purchased a new battery pack from Toyota, with a junkyard battery as a core. Toyota OEM packs don't include the battery ECM and relay module, so I purchased these on eBay and they worked fine. Both can be replace while still in the car, but It's not that much extra work to haul the battery out of the car and set it on a bench. (I don't think you'll need the relay module, I had to replace it because the junkyard battery had a broken connector.)
     
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    That is what I am getting on my 2001. After driving about 3-5 miles the brake light comes on then loose power. Have to stop and restart then fine but the electric motor is not running but the hybrid batteries are charged.
     
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    Need to see what codes you may get to start, either with a code reader, go to the dealer, or using tech stream.
     
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    I just got done. Decided to just simply replace the module instead of cleaning it even though I saw corrosion.
    I did clean all of the plates on the battery and all of the bolts on the batteries themselves however.
    Immediately throws up the exact same codes when I start the car. Does still start and shows good battery voltages on all the cells.

    Any other suggestions? Would simply replacing the battery (I know expensive) solve the problem?

    Found a battery listing which has battery with 2nd gen cells and the battery control module already installed.
     
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    If you search for code P3009 there's plenty of threads that talk about this code, it might not be caused by the battery.

    P3000 & P3009 Codes | PriusChat
     
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    Reading through that, I had disconnected the Hybrid battery and 12 v battery before cleaning the cells and replacing the battery control module. That should clear all codes.

    Never put it in neutral or drive. I think that might at least eliminate the transmission based on what I read. I did not clear the 3009 but did clear the 3000 code and the P3000 came back instantly and I believe it was whether the engine was running or not. I would not think the inverter would be running when the engine is not running.

    It is possible I messed up something of course when I cleaned the battery and replaced the battery control module though. I don't think so but need to consider everything. Could also be that the module does not work, whether listed as working or not.

    I put two inverters on my eBay watch list however just in case.
     
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    Why would you not? The inverter has power from the moment you hear the relays in the battery click when you go READY to about five minutes after they click when you power down. (It takes around five minutes for the capacitors in there to discharge.)
     
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    Maybe post the name and address if this wonderful dealership; they deserve some "free advertising"...
     
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    It was based on my interpretation of the link Ammdb provided.

    It was nighttime when I read their response so did not do any experiments at the time

    According to this however from the link
    The first step is to clear the P3009 trouble code and then turn the key or push button to key on/not ready mode, (This is IG ON on a Gen I or the second position on the ignition switch (after ACC)) wait 30 seconds and if the code comes back, the leak is in the battery case. If the code does not set, turn key or push button to "ready mode"(start on the Gen I) and immediately shift to neutral and stay this mode for 30 seconds. If the code returns, the leak is in the power cables or inverter. If the code did not set, shift to drive and if the code resets now, the leak is in the transaxle. This is something that can be done in about minutes with a scan tool while never removing any components and not leaving the driver seat.

    That is what I did. Key is the on position, gas engine off, and code comes back within less than 30 seconds. Unless what is written here is not accurate, at least right now the battery seems to be a problem.
     
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    To assess the hybrid battery: try Dr Prius app? Check if it's compatible with 2003. Carista OBD adapter works well with it.
     
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    The description you found is a good rough description of a testing approach you can follow, but a good picture would help. Later Prii starting with Gen 2 will essentially follow this same approach on their own after detecting a leak, so they can give you a more detailed code indicating the general area. When first detected, the leak will be assigned code 526, and when the car sees that the next time it turns on, it will follow something very near that sequence of steps automatically, and then set a 611, 612, 613, or 614 code.

    So if you look at this picture from Gen 2, you can pretty much see what you are doing with your manual procedure. A Gen 1 doesn't give you the handy three-digit codes, but the same picture mostly applies.

    A Gen 1 does not have electric A/C, so you can disregard the 611 area. Also, Gen 1's inverter doesn't contain a boost converter.

    The battery is the 612 area. You have a problem there if the code is re-detected simply in IG ON, before you go READY and the system main relays connect.

    If you go READY and the SMRs connect and then you get the code before any power is sent to MG1 or MG2, your issue is in the "high voltage DC" 614 area, which you can see stretches from the load side of the SMRs and the frame wire along the floor of the car and includes nearly all of the inverter, except for its final output stages connected to MG1 and MG2.

    If you still don't get the code in that condition, until you drive or start the engine or do something that sends power to MG1 or MG2, then the issue is in the 613 transaxle area (which you can see really includes the transaxle, the orange cables connecting it to the inverter, and a final little sliver of the inverter itself).

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    As I understand it, that app does have specialized features for 'assessing' the battery in the sense of its charging and discharging behavior and capacity. I don't know that it offers much to help with insulation leak diagnosis, which is a whole different ball of wax.
     
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    I took the code description of 3000 Battery Control System as being what it listed.
    I also took the code description of 3009 Leak Detected at being what it listed.
    When my 2001 Mustang threw a fuel pump code or O2 sensor code, I assumed that is what they meant.
    It is fine in a way because you do the best you can with the information you have at hand.
    Before I got a response I had already ordered a replacement battery.
    If I end up replacing the inverter too, unfortunately mistakes are made.

    My concern is that my roommate states that before cleaning the battery and replacing the battery module that the codes did not pop up as quickly as they do now. They took a few moments. I am wondering if either the replacement battery control module is bad or if I damage something when cleaning contacts or cleaning the connection between the battery and the control module.

    Gloucester Toyota of Gloucester Virginia. It is a fairly small town shop with not that many hybrids. They did replace the inverter coolant pump last year in my 2009 Prius though. Of course any decent reader will give you the code for that and not obscure and need techstream.