Prime vs. Hyundai Ioniq

will be interesting to see the final product.

 

The lack of a reliability history, the 6-speed transmission instead of a CVT, the wimpy electric motor, and the constantly starting up engine are all show stoppers for me.

 

Hyundai ditched the charge mode in the Sonata PHEV for the Ioniq PHEV. Seems few used it.

Sounds like it is following the PiP philosophy; use grid charge to really maximize the efficiency of hybrid operation, not be an EV part of the time. Perhaps it will be received better with the double clutch transmission.

 

a pip with 27 miles? now you're talking.

 

Just test drive a 2017 Ioniq hybrid blue edition. Very impressive I'm even more interested now in the Electric version. I really enjoy driving my prime in electric only mode and have no desire to drive an ICE vehicle again. I get the whole electric thing now I can fully utilize the tax credit of $7500 and $3000 rebate in my state for the electric version of the Ioniq. I can wait for the Tesla model 3 but I doubt that a tax credit and rebate will be available then. Hyundai has an unlimited warranty on the battery and if you lease you can even get unlimited miles and maintenance up to 50k miles. Bjorn Nyland likes the Ioniq the best besides Tesla.

 

Test drive a BMW i3-REx as a lot of them are coming off lease and the prices are softer. Warning, 168 hp, rear wheel drive in a 2900 lb car can lead to bad driving habits. End of May, it had 6,440 miles and now is over 19,900 miles. We'll bust 20k miles this weekend.

BTW, I bought a Prime to replace our backup, 2010 Prius when a BMW i3-REx motor mount bolt broke. A fully covered, warranty repair, I have a stronger BMW i3-REx than before.

Bob Wilson

 

but you still have a car that will only go 200 miles between refueling.

 

Actually, 80 miles when running on gas. Even with optimum placed, fast DC charger, you're still facing 30 minutes to get about 55-60 EV miles. The key is the BMW i3-REx scampers around town very nicely and we have one downtown, fast DC charger I can use if I don't want to wait on 20% charge per hour.

The point is with a BMW i3-REx, we've driven 700 miles each way to and from Oklahoma. It is a car I would have no trouble doing the same, if somewhat slower, trip as the 1,200 mile drive from Rhode Island to Huntsville.

Bob Wilson

 

trouble? maybe not. inconvenience? depends on how you prefer spending time.

 

I am very wary of the Hyundai brand. Their claims for gas mileage are way exaggerated. Note some of the actions by the government to have them correct these false high claims.




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True for most auto brands. I've had 2 Prii and 2 Sonata hybrids. Only the 2016 Sonata equaled or exceeded sticker mpg. It is a great car that I enjoy driving. Current measured combined mpg after 23000 miles is 44.2.

 

My lifetime average for my 2004 Prius is 52mpg which is way above EPA. My Mazda is rated 21/28 and I average 35mpg.

 

I have driven an BMW i3 and while it was innovative and impressive, i am concerned with reliability ('14 avoid CR) and crash test ratings (IIHS). It's expensive new and my local BMW doesn't even sell it anymore due to low demand. That being said I would be interested in a low mileage certified "15 nicely equipped under 20k. Fortunately I can take full advantage of new car plug in/electric tax credits and rebates, so it's got to be pretty affordable buying used.

 

I was sceptical of the claimed mileage especially after have a VAG diesel, but surprisingly I can get better the EPA figure and very close to the pie in the sky EU economy figures (managed over 80mpg over 350 miles)

there are now 16 Ioniqs on fuelly, average mpg seems to be 60mpg UK / 50 mpg US the number getting high 60's UK is increasing so I think the EPA figure is not far out

 

My Hyundai Santa Fe pretty.much met them and probably would have done much better if I was willing to drive on the freeway at 55mph.

 

On the other hand, my 103,000 mile 2012 Prius Plug-in averaged 65 MPG over the 5 years I had it before I sold it to a dealer to buy my Prime Advanced.
Not one single thing went wrong with that car. I changed the oil every 10000 miles with the filter at the dealership. I rotated and balanced the tires every 5000 miles (free at America's Tire). It was the most reliable and the cheapest car to maintain that I've ever owned.

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History: I have a 2005 Prius with 300,000 miles on it. It runs great but has just started using one quart of oil between changes. My lifetime gas mileage is about 49. Vivien has a 2008 Prius with 200,000 miles on it. It sometimes acts like it has vapor lock but otherwise runs great. Lifetime mileage about 42. (driving habits)

Yesterday, I test drove the Iconiq Hybrid SEL. I was attracted by its looks, finish, mpg and warranty. ESPECIALLY the hybrid battery warranty! I found the interior finish to be excellent and honestly better than the new Prius that I test drove a couple of months ago.

For ME the transmission shifted too rough. Granted I am a bit spoiled by my Prius but I have driven a Chevy Cruze and the Iconiq shifts much harder than the Cruze. Is this a "double clutch" thing? I am not up on transmission technologies.

I have a standard way of checking the interior size of a car. I get in the drivers seat, get it all adjusted for me then I get in the back seat on the drivers side. The drivers seat is WONDERFUL much better finish than the Prius. That being said, I bumped my head getting into the car in front and would have getting into the rear had I not been careful. Compared to MY Prius there is less leg room and about the same head room. I will have to double check the new Prius regarding ducking to get into the car and leg room.

The technology is a better fit for me as I have an Android phone and I believe the Prius only support iPhone fully at this time.

The cargo area seems smaller than my Prius.

The car does NOT come with a spare tire but there IS room and they will supply one with a tool kit for a fee.
The car also does not come with a cargo cover but one is available for a fee as well.

 

I thought about the Ioniq before getting the Prime, but changed my mind. I actually was able to get in one (the normal Ioniq Hybrid, not the Plugin) and drive a few months ago before they officially came out. I was looking forward to it, because I did like the more straightforward cabin design of the Hyundai than the Prime... but once I sat in one, I was disappointed in the side roominess for the driver, and general build quality of the cabin (ride was ok, but since it was the normal hybrid I couldn't test the EV).

I know Hyundai has come a long way from the Excel (Pony in Canada), but even those friends and colleagues who own Hyundais and love them, tell me things are always breaking. They say they never have to pay for it because Hyundai has such a great warranty (they do), but that they're still always going to the dealer to get things fixed all the time. I tend to keep my cars a long time (12-15 years) so Toyota quality vs Hyundai (even though they're now much better) did concern me -- especially as I was getting the same comments from people who nonetheless loved their Hyundais.

Also, HPrimeAdvanced above pointed out that Hyundai in the past hasn't been very honest about their MPG numbers (perhaps they've changed) but it's interesting to note that Toyota took a conservative approach (claiming only 22 EV miles before the EPA raised it to 25) instead of trying to boast too much and then getting in trouble later (even on gas MPG, I find I usually get higher numbers than the official numbers -- vs Hyundai, who historically had been sued because real-world numbers were always lower than their claims).

The Ioniq does have some things going for it, and maybe it's a car for you (give it a try). But while I was excited upon seeing pictures of it and reading about it, after getting in one, I personally decided against it.

 

The heavy shifting could be a DCT thing(never driven one myself); the Cruze has a traditional step automatic. With the electric motor, the DCT should have smoother shifting of the lower gears in a hybrid than an ICE. I've read manually controlling the shifts smooths it out on some models of DCT.

After driving a Prius for more than a decade, you are going to notice any shifting from a transmission.

I'd take judging build quality from a presale car with a grain of salt.

Hyundai had recently paid one of the largest fines for the misstated Elantra fuel economy figures. I see them being more careful now. From what I've read, it also sounds like they made a mistake as oppose to intentionally trying to fudge figures like Ford did. Part of the reason for the recent update from the EPA on testing rules was to clarify things that Hyundai supposedly was confused about.