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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Tideland Prius, Jan 12, 2025 at 2:18 PM.

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    Toyota sells to a LOT more than the US market.

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    Lol, that's like saying the New England Patriots are still #1 the day after Tom Brady signed a contract to play for Tampa Bay...
     
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    Sell a billion cars at a loss in China?

    Excellent strategy

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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Still have to know when and where to apply that torque to not lose control or get stuck.

    If we couldn't expand battery production, the best choice to reduce carbon emissions from cars at scale would be mild hybrid diesels.

    But we can expand battery production, and are even developing batteries that use different resources. Toyota's statement is more about the fact that they misread the market and didn't invest into Li-ion batteries to support EV growth. They'd be selling a lot more Rav4 PHVs now if they did.

    Their EV share in China and even Japan dropped last year.

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    Which are still hybrids, bot EVs. ;)
     
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    i'd argue modern diesels w/ their particulate traps, cat converters & urea injection are just as clean as new cars .... and constantly cranking over high compression diesels is not the best thing to do for their longevity.
    REX plugin ? That'd be way sweater despite costs.
     
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    A non-turbo diesel actually was found to start easier, faster and with fewer emissions in hybrid duty.

    have to guess the emissions systems would wear faster but since gas is getting filters and other nonsense the issue might be the same regardless of fuel type
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    A hybrid with a plug a battery 18 times the size of one in a Prius. Toyota's statement does break out the PHEVs from HEVs.

    Then it isn't like having more batteries available would help bZ4X sales.:p
     
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    When people refer to EV growth, they usually mean BEVs not PHEVs. That is my point.
     
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    And don't you think that every carmaker that has spent this whole decade working on 4-wheel drive electric motor fine tuning with this newfound hundreds of adjustments per second advantage might have more experience than the mid-decade late entry climate denial bribed Fossil fool promoting dummies with their Subaru "4-wheel-expert" lapdog?
     
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    That's kinda of a like saying when people care about wanting to give their children a meaningful future by addressing climate change they actually care about substantive change rather than just pretending that we can't change, only be more responsible about refusing to change.