PHV Release Date

What's your source that points to a screw up? The point of testing is to catch mistakes and fix it before it gets to production. This is a normal development process.

Volt owners are getting check engine lights and the preconditioning feature turning on the gas engine even when the car is plugged in. Why weren't they caught during testing?

 

Sure.
Why does Toyota need to hold back basic details such as weight, battery capacity etc ? Could it be they don't have those nailed down ?

 

As in missing the PHEV market requirements and performance goals, I am quite sure they will hit the quality targets.

 

Err, yeah. that's exactly why. They are collecting real data from real users to find out which configuration they can maximise profit on. We'd all love a 16kwh/40 mile setup, but not all of us could afford to buy it. could twice the number of us afford a 8kwh/20 mile car? maybe. what makes toyota more profit, considering projected demand, battery cost reductions, product lifecycles and future EV sales? The Volt architecture has focussed on petrol use reduction at the epxense of material costs, emissions, packaging and overall efficiency. The prius will try and balance these better, with better versatility (five seats), lower price, the AT-PZEV emissions rating, and lower wh/mile figures in electric mode and higher MPG in petrol mode.

 

tpfun,

These details were available since Dec 2009. It has weight, battery capacity and everything you are looking for.

This is a new one: Plug-in Hybrid Vehicle | TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION GLOBAL WEBSITE

 

What are the PHV market requirements and performance goals?

Both CMU study and DOE report showed that EV miles under 20 is the most cost-effective and emit lowest emission.

 

We will find out in short order , won't we ?
Good luck to the Prius PHV.

I already debunked that conclusion with details in the other posts which no one has responded to in kind yet.

 

I responded and corrected your oversight.

 

USB, is a Volt better or worse than a Cruze in emissions and energy efficiency? If it's worse than the Cruze then i understand why this is still bothering you. If it's better than a Cruze but worse than a Prius then i think you should just stop worrying about it. the EPA sticker tells you it's worse that a Prius in CS mode, and when the PHV arrives it will have a better sticker for CD mode as well...

 

That will be interesting to find out. I'll get to it, perhaps in another thread (or you can start a new one).

I am against Volt's perception marketing, not the car. As long as they continue to market it with misleading information, I am against it.

 

Green Car Book has the Cruze Eco #8 and the Volt #13 on the greenest vehicle list. Note that this list ignores the size and transmission of the cars.

For the compact class, Cruze Eco (manual) has higher score the Volt. For automatic, Insight and Civic Hybrid are greener than the Volt. Both of those Honda hybrids are cordless but the Volt requires a plug.

For the mid-size class, Prius is still the greenest and it is cordless. I am not sure what happened to the Leaf. We'll have to wait one more year to see how the Prius PHV come up on the list.

Plugin info: http://www.greenercars.org/EVFE.pdf
Methodology: http://greenercars.org/Meth Memo FINAL.pdf

 

All this is on point, and true . . . problem is, some aren't really hoping to hear on point answers . . . but we both know that already.

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I don't see the "soon to be released" Prius Plugin on that list.

Is Toyota taking reservations now ?

 

Not sure but dealers are. Here is one.

 

Oh don't feed him! Hopefully he'll go away.

The Plug In has always been advertised for release in the last quarter of 2011 or early 2012 and tpfun should know this.

I'd be curious how many Volts have been sold so far since release back in December 2010.

 

Less than the number of EV1's produced

 

Hey,

I was surfing and saw this cnet article where it says it will not be out until Aug 2012. I am really hoping that it is wrong.

reviews.cnet.com/coupe-hatchback/2012-toyota-prius-plug/4505-10867_7-34497768.html

 

Hey,

I was surfing and saw this cnet article where it says it will not be out until Aug 2012. I am really hoping that it is wrong.

2012 Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid Review - Watch CNET's Video Review

 

Shoehorning a huge battery into a car not designed for it in the first place involves a lot of tradeoffs. A heavy battery in the trunk is not a good idea. The loss of the spare is another consequence.

quote: This bigger battery pack not only knocks out the spare tire, but it feels like it makes the car heavier, as well. Toyota makes up for the spare with a patch kit....
Toyota has not released full specifications on the Prius PHEV yet, but it feels heavier than a standard Prius. The addition of the bigger battery pack would account for the mass increase, and leads us to suspect that the Prius PHEV would get worse gas mileage than the standard Prius when driving in hybrid mode because of the extra weight.

 

Yeah, kinda like cramming a battery into the Delta II platform. Apparently that deletes one of the seats! Don't seem to remember that problem with the Leaf platform, and that has a much larger battery.......?