Parents Protest Gay Fairytale for 2nd Graders...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Betelgeuse @ Apr 26 2006, 07:53 PM) [snapback]245907[/snapback]</div>

Speaking purely objectively, I sometimes wonder if ANY "ideology" is really a good thing. Yes, I know it's a moot point; who could ever stop humans from believing this or that? But how much bad feeling, indeed, how many wars, are its result? The period since the mid-1700's has rightfully been called The Age of Ideology, although there was plenty of bloodshed prior to that based on religious ideology. But our ideologies have grown like crabgrass since then.

Maybe we should all take some Prozac and return to a time when most conflict arose from Eternal Verities such as avarice, lust, envy and simple personal hatred, unencumbered by a philosophical framework. No national armies, but every individual gets five guns...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SirGreen @ Apr 26 2006, 10:43 PM) [snapback]245899[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Apr 26 2006, 10:52 PM) [snapback]245906[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dsunman @ Apr 26 2006, 11:06 PM) [snapback]245913[/snapback]</div>

SirGreen: Professional Troll. "We're there for all of your trolling needs!"

C'mon people, don't feed the troll. It's for everyone's good.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ghostofjk @ Apr 26 2006, 11:46 PM) [snapback]245933[/snapback]</div>

Isn't because we as a specie are so interwoven in to the evolutionary process with rudimentary proclivity for creating social boundaries based on territorial or ideological interpretations? Hence the impossibility for mankind to escape from Eternal Verities I guess.

As far as avarice and unencumbered frameworks goes, I heard once this crude joke:

"A retired billionaire buys an section of an island on big archipelago, each day sitting on a beach doing nothing, just enjoying idyllic paradise with sunrises and sunsets.

He notices on each day a local inhabitant sitting near a palm tree and gazing at the beauty of the beach, enjoying the sunrises and the sunsets and doing nothing.

The billionaire strikes a conversation with the local, "howdy" I've seen you here for quite some time doing nothing, why don't you get a fishing rod and catch some fish? he asks. You could sell them on the local market and make some money. You know afterwards once you save some money, you may even buy yourself a dugout canoe with nets and hire couple helpers to make more profit. Then you may even save more money, that may lead to buying a bigger boat, who knows maybe even a small trawler. Eventually you'll make so much money that you wouldn't have to do anything, just look at me, I'm so rich that I don't have to do anything.

Local inhabitant replies, sorry mr. but what am I doing now other than nothing?"

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ghostofjk @ Apr 26 2006, 08:46 PM) [snapback]245798[/snapback]</div>

Sure glad I can be of some assistance for the PC community :lol:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(marjflowers @ Apr 26 2006, 03:40 PM) [snapback]245771[/snapback]</div>

Peace?.. you sound like a flower child! :lol:

My point is we are very much alike animals... "we are worse" until the spirit of God is given free reign and not greived.... then another creature is brought forth "a new creation" the bible says.....

If you want to make it complicated....., then its not christianity...

the beauty of christianity above all other religions is that even a 3 year old and participate and flow in it or a 103 year old... it is simple, yet deep.... just like the sky.

 

Obviously this case has no more merit than it would if these parents were complaining about a fairytale that showed a "miscegenistic" (mixed race) couple. There are plenty of "Christian" parents who would be horribly offended if their children ever got exposed to a book like this, for instance:



If these parents insist on trying to bring their kids up in the Dark Ages, well, there weren't any public schools in the Dark Ages. Perhaps their cult can provide an alternative....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Subversive @ Apr 27 2006, 08:58 PM) [snapback]246464[/snapback]</div>

If we were not concerned with "morals", then I would agree.... basic differences of viewpoints, values, looks, and culture causes many to lash out at those who are not like themselves. Thats Bigotry.

But the term "Gay" brings morals into the picture... if you deny that, then this is the basis of our disagreement. Bigotry can me intermingled with this, but it is no more the real problem any more than black and white. "which is absurd".

It gets very confusing when we are mixing and discussing laws of the land that has a little of both "morals" and "heathenistic" beliefs.... combined with basic laws to protect each other... like... stopping at a red light for instance.

Unfortunately there are much more emotional significance's than just bigotry and racisms relations.

The reason the whole middle east is at war, is not just because of racism and bigotry, but also religion.

Its up to you to decide which religion is of man and which is of God.

It funny how Gays seem to be against the Bible, if not professing atheist.... why do you think that is?

There are a few that try to use scripture to defend thier position, but most are not that desperate.

The Bible does not hate Gay people, it hates the gay sin.

Big Big difference!

But to most Gays, thats not good enough because thier sin has become thier identity and they dont' want to be seperated... Accept them all or nothing... thats thier motto.

It was better when they were not trying to flash it in everyone face as being normal and acceptable... it was much easier to get along knowing everyones private affairs were between them and God.

How many people do you rub shoulder with and get along just fine with that you would be enemies with if they revealed their dark secrets and tried to flaunt them publically as being normal and try to force you to accept them as one of you?

I will have grace this time and not mention all the hideous crimes because I know many will take offense at being idenitified with them, but just look at the news at night.

I know.. being gay is not a crime..... in whose law book?.. which law book counts?.. I guess thats the real question. We only define things a crimes if they hurt or offend someone else.

As long as its two consenting adults.. anything is allowable except blowing each others brains out... "people hate to clean up the mess".

This is my point... "morals" are not held in high esteem when making our laws.

We have so many different beliefs that it would be very sticky if we tried.

So what we are talking about here are not issues of legality.... but many are offended when we make laws that do not take morals into account, and many are offended when they do.

So how do we solve this.... stand at 30 paces and shoot?

I have no problem with people doing thier own thing "if" if does not interfere and affect me..... pushing thier beliefs on my children in second grade is no more right than trying to force christianity on second graders who may have parents of different religions.

Its funny how intolerance is blamed on fundamentalist, when those very people are the most intolerant of fundamentalist?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Apr 28 2006, 02:17 AM) [snapback]246511[/snapback]</div>

Absolutely. For instance, there are a lot of people who don't realize that gays and lesbians tie their shoes one foot at a time, just like everyone else, because they don't personally really know any.

Those who oppose "miscegeny" (race-mixing) consider it to be a "morality" issue as well.

Yeah, and you know it's funny how so many fundamentalist Christians fail to grasp that concept.

Except somehow I expect these parents would not have complained about that. Books that show Christian parents in a positive light, no problem. Add some books that show Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist parents in a positive light, and pretty soon Fred Phelps will be outside the school with signs saying "Little Timmy, You Are Going to Hell." Too many Christians have a huge sense of entitlement and think it is their due to have public institutions grant them and only them special priviledges and push their agenda.

These "moral" parents would like the children of gay parents who may be attending the school to be ostracized as freaks, rather than be seen as normal kids just like everyone else. And they would probably rationalize any bullying as an extension of "Christ's love." But this book isn't pushing any sex issues. Second-graders have very little comprehension let alone awareness of sex. The book is simply trying to spare the children of gay and lesbian couples at the school the tormenting that these "moral" parents want their kids to unleash on them, by showing that different kids have different kinds of parents but they all love their children just the same. How controversial!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Subversive @ Apr 28 2006, 12:36 AM) [snapback]246531[/snapback]</div>

Your right... but they are wrong... its true, its sad that people's bigotry gets fueled by misquoted scriptures.

No matter what color we are , we are all niggars to someone.....

I work with gays and I really like them as a person, and I am sad for the place they feel they have to live to feel accepted, loved, and normal.

Its true, it instantly gets very complicated and perplexing with unrealistic expectations being placed as soon as a caring relationship is started with the opposite sex, but to go with the same sex, it tends to be much easier by many as they can read each other better.

The whole "dating" scene promotes many broken hearts and forever scarred minds that get abused and wounded... especially after a couple of bad marriages, it doesn't take long to not trust the opposite sex.

I'm not saying this is the reason... its only one.... but Gay families never afford balanced examples of male/female interation and balance.

True, broken marriages where a single spouse is now raising the kids may not have a good balance either, but they don't see same sex intimacy reserved for the marriage bed... thats what is really confusing and it offends anyone who values hetrosexual relationships.

This is possibly what is most offensive about the book.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Apr 29 2006, 01:10 AM) [snapback]247096[/snapback]</div>

:blink: HAHAHAHA!!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Subversive @ Apr 27 2006, 11:58 PM) [snapback]246464[/snapback]</div>

Ok nowthis should be another thread, as this one has been beaten to death, Now some how you are trying to tie in mixed races? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: , wake up call buddy, interacial marriage /dating much more excepted amongst americans. You can not just lable christians, I think you will find the true die hards (old-school) in any religion that are against either type of relationships.


Have a safe day!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Apr 29 2006, 02:10 AM) [snapback]247096[/snapback]</div>

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're killin' me here!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Apr 29 2006, 11:08 AM) [snapback]247168[/snapback]</div>

Wake up call- interracial marriage is not universally accepted in this country. Until the Supreme Court struck down anti-miscegenation laws in 1967, it was illegal in some states. Bob Jones University banned interracial dating until a few years ago. Massachusetts has a law on the books that prohibits people from marrying there if their marriage would not be recognized in their home states- it's being applied to same-sex marriage now, but the law was originally enacted to prohibit marriage of interracial couples from other states. Friends of mine in mixed-race marriages or relationships could give ample instances of non-acceptance.
However, the majority of people regard such thought as nothing less than bigotry, and I am sure that some time in the future, intolerance of same-sex marriage will be similarly regarded with disdain.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ Apr 29 2006, 11:43 AM) [snapback]247178[/snapback]</div>

Again this is soooooooooooo faaaaaaarrr out in left field compaired to this thread.
(start a new one )

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Apr 29 2006, 12:52 PM) [snapback]247206[/snapback]</div>

Out in left field? You and others in this forum have used Bible verses to attack the so-called "gay lifestyle" in response to the original question. Go back and check your history- these are precisely the same type of arguments used by segregationists in the 40s, 50s and 60s (and today, in some of the fundamentalist Southern Baptist churches.)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Apr 20 2006, 06:14 AM) [snapback]242665[/snapback]</div>

this one is totally true, some philosophy indicated that sex is on ethng be it same or opposite sex but ths instinct thng dares to choose, like a vegetarian philosophy , meat is meat but why do we oppose eating cats meat?? ..instinct matter all the way around..

sex's been a matter that drags out shame specially wen it comes to kidos..

the thng is that to ask for your free will doin somethng you should respect others free will of not knowing it as their free will..

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ Apr 29 2006, 01:07 PM) [snapback]247209[/snapback]</div>

Yeppers Im not responding to this thread its on ignore.

You have a good topic here, Start a New topic In FHOP.

*POOF*

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Apr 29 2006, 02:10 AM) [snapback]247096[/snapback]</div>

It's not just broken marriages and single parents that fail to show a balanced example of male/female interaction--the traditional fundamentalist Christian family often shows an unhealthy balance between the sexes. Some Christians, male and female, believe that wife should be subservient in all things to the husband. What a pity that the young male or female children of gay and lesbian couples may never learn that "balance."

Ok, I think I understand your position at least. You seem to believe that gays and lesbians as a rule don't ever want to settle down into committed relationships. After all, they seem to have such an easy time (compared to you or me) at getting some action when they are young, so why would they ever want to stop? Well, just like heterosexuals, gays and lesbians can mature, fall in love, want to settle down with just one lover, and raise a family. Is it possible that you haven't noticed that some gays and lesbians are clamoring for the right to have their committed relationships with their lifelong intimate partners legally recognized the same as anyone else's?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Apr 20 2006, 06:41 AM) [snapback]242580[/snapback]</div>

I agree with Squid, for crying out loud 2nd graders haven't even started Sex-Ed yet so what reference point do they have?

Wildkow