One Of The Big Three To Buy Tesla?

And again, how is this different from other businesses negotiating tax abatement so or access to State funds?

 

Sure, the "everyone's doing it" excuse. How noble.

I've run a business for twenty years, paid federa, state and local employment and income taxes every single year, never asked for or received public subsidy, credit or economic development financing, never furloughed. I suspect I'm not that different from most. But we're very different from the highly compensated tax/HR advisory firm-led tax avoidance/privatize profits/externalize costs and losses/moral hazard crowd like Bain, GE, WalMart, Musk Enterprises, et al.

 

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is ok because everyone is doing it.
I am just trying to figure out if you have an irrational argument against Musk, or something valid.

Did you, in your business, ever negotiate a lease?

This is what all businesses that have influence do.
They will negotiate with not just landlords, they will negotiate with cities and states. And what do the cities and states have to offer? Well, they can offer tax breaks and incentives.

It is very easy for a company that is going to employ 3,000 people to approach a city and ask them how building their new factory in their town of 10,000 would benefit the company. Naturally, with the added business and huge employment, the city will try to make their town look as appealing as possible.

What I question about your apparent focus on Musk, is that he isn't drawing off as many subsidies as many others. And again, the 'subsidies' are not payments from the government. They are simply allowing citizens to pay less of their taxes to the government, or are payments from other car manufacturers.

 

Sorry to interrupt, but I really do not see the problem here if the end result is a better and hopefully more affordable product. If Musk doesn't use these monies/credits, someone with less beneficial motives or products will. Anyway ya'll carry on.

 

TOTAL BS
Man, you just don't give up do ya?

NO, you do NOT pay enough taxes. None of us do....that's why the U.S. has consistently run deficits.
Or, I suppose you are on the right of the political spectrum, in which case you believe you are "taxed enough already" and the government should cut spending?

OK, fine......
Were you for or against the Iraq War? Medicare Part D? (Both under George W. Bush)

Now, I don't want to go way off topic and start talking politics, but the answer to those two questions at least determines how sincere you are about "cutting spending".

I do not need to know what type of business you run to know that you have received HUGE public subsidies.
I am sick and tired of SBO's like you sucking on the public teat and then pointing fingers at others.

- Your employees were educated in public schools, at public expense.
- Your customers get to your business (or your products to market) on roads built at public expense
- You customers have money to buy your products because the government frequently provides tax breaks
- The government helps out with retirement and health benefits for your employees (so they are not sick, and have more money in their pockets)
- Violent criminals who would otherwise be targeting your business/community/customers/employees/you are locked away....at public expense
- Your business receives energy from a grid and power sources that were largely financed/developed by the government
- All transport needs for your goods/employees/customers/you are 90%+ provided by OIL, which the public pays dearly for to maintain a huge military presence in the Middle East, clean up oils spills like BP, care for kids who get asthma, etc. etc. This is DWARFED by what Tesla is getting, but your retrograde attitude still has a problem with them?

Need I go on?

 

No, we bought our facility -- and pay local real estate taxes on that too.

The fact is Musk could not have started, let alone continued, any of his current ventures without significant up-front and ongoing subsidy.

Your argument that "if Musk didn't take it, someone would have gotten it" is specious.

It's sad and disingenuous that state and local legislators fall for the "jobs for subsidies" schtick, since it rarely has the promised "ROI", even if it delivers the votes. Sports stadia have to the the worst such examples. Yeah, even worse than Musk enterprises.

No, because you could not be more incorrect -- in any of your trolling Q&A.

 

#1
If I may be pragmatic - even you or I can buy Tesla. All it takes is somewhere between a 35%-51% stake in the company. That said, Tesla wouldn't be the 1st corporation to fend off (what may be perceived as) a hostile takeover.
#2
Big 3?
Who's that . . . Volkswagen, Toyota & GM?

#3
Must be a slow news day.
.

 

Of course I'm correct, you just can't admit it.
Ya know, I actually remember the days when Prius were owned by intelligent people. Guess those days are over.
The fact that you don't reply to my posts just means you have nothing to say (except to call me troll. How original, from the guy who started trolling on this thread!)

You are quite the superhero! No public subsidies for you!

After all, you have, PERSONALLY:

- provided health and retirement benefits to your workers out of your own pocket
- paid for the jailing of violent felons, out of your own pocket
- educated your workers K-12 and beyond, out of your own pocket
- developed all the technology that gets energy to your business, out of your own pocket
- paid for all the roads and other infrastructure your business uses, out of your own pocket

Like I said.....you are a hero!

 

Folks I'm afraid this thread is going to get banished to the dark side if ya'll don't tone it down. Does not effect me, but there are others on PriusChat that might benefit some info here that would not be caught dead in the House of Politics. Can you please take the personal side of this argument private?

 

Thanks, because I have for twenty years paid for employee health care, paid the highest electric power rates in the 48-states, paid business and personal income and real estate taxes, that paid for the infrastructure we all use, for my employees, for my family and for the community around us, who now help pay it forward. None of it subsidized.

You do all of that? Any of that? Or do you work at a paycheck factory?

Now remind me, who is the AH-troll?

 

Sure, I've made the points I intended to make. I'm done.