Okada Projects Plasma Direct Coils

$700 water is too expensive to drink... But I'd for sure pay a couple hundred for the possibility to have a more advanced ignition coil design... Perhaps in time through them or others that price will become available?

 

Here is an outside review, though possibly a bit dated (2017) by now:

Okada Coil Testing (Snake Oil or Real Deal?) | SpoolStreet Forums

 

In fairness, a few of the things that review assumes not to be possible (which might have been right, for the specific igniters they were testing) would not be flat-out impossible with the Toyota igniters. I'm thinking of "The only way to add multi spark to any coil is to modify the control system sending the signal and they have added nothing in the system capable of doing this" ... "They aren’t changing the dwell time because there is no flash of the DME so for starts they must be ¼ the resistance" ... and so on, and they're talking about being able to measure the primary resistance, so maybe the ones they had were for an application simpler than Toyota's igniters.

With a Toyota one, you haven't got any way from the outside to measure the primary resistance, because there's the whole transistorized control circuit inside there in the way. And while nobody has reflashed the ECM to send a different pattern of IGT pulses, it might not be completely impossible that Okada buried a leetle beety signal processor in there to make sparks on a different pattern based on the pulses from the ECM. The Toyota igniters have +B and ground pins, so they could have power for some fancy circuit in there.

As devil's advocate, I'll say it's not impossible they could have done such a thing.

On the other hand, if their product in 2017 involved the addition of red anodized aluminum and a clip, then I wonder how much more than that they might be doing now.

 

I'd like to buy that part of the product on the cheap and have someone show me how to install it...

 

Another possible difference is that the 2017 review is of “Okada Plasma Coils”, while the current product and subject of this thread is “Okada Plasma Direct Coils” (emphasis added), so could possibly be a 'new improved' product series with increased function. Though if this were true, then wouldn't we expect to see a price increase too?

As the review suggests, anyone who tests this, ought to compare it to new OEM parts, not to used old parts.

 

Did anyone accuse you of scamming anyone in this thread? If so, I missed it.

The scam accusation was made against the seller of the product in the title of this thread.

 

By helping the people who actually KNOW they are lying about their product.
But I did not say that YOU were scamming......unless you actually know their claims are BS.
You should know that but apparently don't.

 

CARB certification has NOTHING to do with their performance claims.
That ONLY means that their product actually performs the basic function AND does not mess up the emissions.

CARB is NOT "certifying" their claims.

 

The Okada unit in the review above was an actual Bosch product, still showing the Bosch factory markings, already having all necessary certifications, that they slightly modified. If their modifications are minor or even not material to the certifications, then any new certifications, if needed at all, should be simple, not tough.

 

I'm not an expert in trademark law (nor am I assuming that you are), but as I understand it, the law may give Bosch attorneys a cause of action if you're relabeling their product, they don't like it, and they want to do something about it. I'm not sure anyone else enforces their trademark rights if they don't.

I wonder if it's possible CARB keeps records or minutes of such determinations. If so, maybe they'd have details of what was shown and proven.

 

Got the CARB EO#? You can look it up:

Aftermarket, Performance, and Add-On Parts Regulations | California Air Resources Board

 

Searching there under 'Ignition Coils', and under 'Ignition System / Ignition System Modification', I found no hint of Okada Projects, or of Plasma Projects.

But I did find the Plasma Direct, a direct replacement ignition coil, and the Plasma Booster, an add-on spark enhancement device, Executive Order D-557. However, this certification was issued on April 17, 2003, to a manufacturer named Ignition Solutions, based in San Diego, not to Okada (Japan) or to Plasma Projects (Netherlands).

And this certification applies only for some specifically listed 2003 and older vehicle models. And the approved Toyota models for these products, do not include any Prius.

Can you please point me to the additional CARB EOs that I am overlooking?

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It isn't like this CARB EO covers much territory. Basically, this just means that it won't increase emissions, and did not affect the vehicle's ability to perform OBD II monitoring. Little else.

State of California
AIR RESOURCES BOARD
EXECUTIVE ORDER D-557
Relating to Exemptions Under Section 27156
of the Vehicle Code
IGNITION SOLUTIONS
Plasma Direct and Plasma Booster
Pursuant to the authority vested in the Air Resources Board by Section 27156 of the Vehicle
Code; and
Pursuant to the authority vested in the undersigned by Section 39515 and Section 39516 of the
Health and Safety Code and Executive Order G-02-003;
IT IS ORDERED AND RESOLVED: That the installation of the Plasma Direct and Plasma
Booster, manufactured and marketed by Ignition Solutions, Silverton Avenue, Suite E, San
Diego, California 92126 has been found not to reduce the effectiveness of the applicable
vehicle pollution control system and, therefore, is exempt from the prohibitions of Section
27156 of the Vehicle Code for the vehicle applications listed in Exhibit A
The Plasma Direct is a direct replacement ignition coil. The Plasma Booster is an add-on
spark enhancement device that is installed by attaching one wire to the negative coil terminal
and the other to a ground source. The Plasma Direct and Plasma Booster are sold separately
as an individual device.
This Executive Order is valid provided that the installation instructions for the Plasma Direct
and Plasma Booster will not recommend tuning the vehicle to specifications different from
those submitted by the device manufacturer.
This Executive Order shall not apply to any Ignition Solutions' Plasma Direct and Plasma
Booster advertised, offered for sale, sold with, or installed on a new motor vehicle prior to or
concurrent with transfer to an ultimate purchaser.
Changes made to the design or operating conditions of the Plasma Direct and Plasma Booster,
as exempt by the Air Resources Board, which adversely affect the performance of the vehicle's
pollution control system shall invalidate this Executive Order.
Marketing of the Plasma Direct and Plasma Booster using any identification other than that
shown in this Executive Order or marketing of the Plasma Direct and Plasma Booster for an
application other than those listed in this Executive Order shall be prohibited unless prior
approval is obtained from the Air Resources Board.
This Executive Order does not constitute any opinion as to the effect the use of the Plasma
Direct. and Plasma Booster may have on any warranty either expressed or implied by the
vehicle manufacturer.

-2-
This exemption is issued based on information supplied by the device manufacturer which
demonstrates that the Plasma Direct and Plasma Booster meet the requirements of
compliance criteria for ignition system components as specified under the "Procedures for
Exemption of Add-On and Modified Parts" and therefore, will not increase emissions. This
Executive Order is also based on an On Board Diagnostic II (OBD II) testing conducted on a
2001 model year 1.8L Audi TT with the Plasma Direct installed and a 2002 model-year 4.0L
Jeep Wrangler with the Plasma Booster installed. The Plasma Direct and Plasma Booster
when installed on the vehicle did not affect the vehicle's ability to perform OBD II monitoring. ....

 

I talked to @RightOnTime about his experience with the coil packs and he said they helped cut 2 seconds off of his lap time with the NGK Premium RX Spark Plugs…

 

You are REALLY gullible.
That is what scammers rely upon to make their market.
The CAN and DO do all kinds of unethical and illegal things.
I quit.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha........
No not really funny.
Pathetic.

 

OT for ignition coils, but an interesting current case on trademark law:

The Supreme Court hears a surprisingly difficult case about poop jokes, in Jack Daniel’s v. VIP - Vox