OEM spare tire install

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  1. Hammersmith

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    Once again, absolutely not to the four figure part. The only way you could ever get to four figures would be to massively overpay for the parts, then have a dealership do the work that anyone could EASILY do themselves. Worst case(LE AWD), for anyone not a fool, will be mid three figures. If getting the parts from that Japanese reseller works out, it will be low three figures($300-$400ish all-in).

    2 parts replaced(3-5 on the LE)
    2 parts added(3 on the AWD)
    + wheel, tire, and tools
     
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    I’ll defer to your expertise; I did follow the similar debacle in 4th gen, and it was pricey there.
     
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    Once again, here are the real prices for a factory conversion. Sure you can break into four-figures, but only if you're stupid(paying MSRP) or you buy a part that's not really needed.*

    Everything's pretty self explanatory, but the three sets of prices are for US MSRP(from autoparts.toyota.com), Lewis Toyota(which typically has the best US prices once you include their free shipping - autoparts.lewistoyota.com), and Impex(Russo-Japanese third party buyer/shipper - en.impex-jp.com).

    The LE needs an extra trim piece, which is why the base price for that trim is higher. You might be able to get along without it, but I included it for completeness. The stock LE cargo mat/liner won't fit after the conversion, so I included that as LE complete.

    Impex shipping cost from Japan won't be insubstantial, but it still looks like it will be the cheapest option by at least a couple/several hundred bucks.

    *For absolute completeness, I also included the different deck board that comes with the factory spare tire option. It's expensive, and I don't really think it's necessary, but I'm a little obsessive when it comes to details. That option is called 'full'.


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    conversion prices as of 8/17/23: (taxes and Impex shipping not included)
    
                        MSRP       Lewis      Impex
    LE basic          $1037.41   $ 749.64   $ 343.28
    LE complete       $1157.41   $ 847.39   $ 441.03
    LE full           $1471.83   $1064.77   $ 501.52
    non-LE basic      $ 887.34   $ 645.89   $ 310.87
    non-LE full       $1201.76   $ 863.27   $ 370.76
    
    AWD option add    $  53.21   $  36.79   $  36.79
    bag for jack                            $  20.04
    
    basic:      all necessary parts, including tool kit, wheel, and tire
    complete:   includes replacement cargo mat/liner (LE only)
    full:       includes replacement deck board (probably not necessary)
    
     
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    Must be over a decade back, Honda had one model (Fit, Civic), where they deleted the spare, but just with the automatic transmission option. It was purportedly to lose a few pounds, keep them in some class, basically money.

    If you wanted the spare (is there anyone who doesn’t…), you ponied up something like $250 CDN, and it was 10 minutes work, out with the goop it and filler, in with the spare, you were stock. And it was very common practice.

    Toyota, on the hand, seems to have no clue that owners might want to do this, makes the conversion complex/expensive, many parts needing swap, leaves the owners to reverse engineer it on their own.
     
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    it should be so simple if there's room. why not make it an option?
     
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    I can't find any pictures for any of these; do you know what the difference is; it these are just jacks (with bag or no bag), why is the price difference so large?
    Thanks.
     
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    I can't find any pictures for any of these; do you know what the difference is; it these are just jacks (with bag or no bag), why is the price difference so large?
    Thanks.
     
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    The difference in price is a good question that I've got no answer to. I asked at a dealership and they couldn't tell me. I think because they had no more information than I did. According to what I've been able to find, all the parts in the kit are the same except for the bags some of them come in. The kit includes a scissor jack, a crank for the jack, and a lug wrench. Everything says each of the three parts are exactly the same in all three kits.

    The prices you'd pay in Japan make sense for what you get, but the US pricing makes no sense. The only thing I can think of is rarity. Maybe one of the kits is found in far more vehicles, so Toyota considers it less of a special order or something? That's the best I've got for an answer.

    I'll give a breakdown of the kit and all the current prices below, and attach the part diagram showing the kit at the bottom so you can see for yourself. (The PriusChat website is a little wonky at the moment and won't let me attach the part diagram. I've previously attached it to one of the other spare tire threads, so I'll see if I can track down that post and link to it.)


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    Prices: US MSRP - Lewis Toyota - ImpexJapan(this price varies a bit as the yen/dollar exchange rate fluctuates; also shipping not included)
    
    $238.94 - $165.20 - $ 40.88 - 09111-47051 - Jack Assy (scissor jack)
    $ 22.38 - $ 15.48 - $  3.81 - 09113-42030 - Handle, Jack
    $ 54.51 - $ 37.69 - $  7.97 - 09150-42010 - Wrench, Hub Nut Box
    $ 30.77 - $ 21.28 - $  3.81 - 09120-76010 - Bag, Tool, Type A
    $352.00 - $243.36 - $ 28.34 - 09120-76020 - Bag, Tool, Type B
    
    $231.41 - $159.99 - $ 29.79 - 09105-52030 - Box Set, Jack (includes Jack, Handle, and Wrench; LE spec)
    $515.63 - $356.49 - $ 49.89 - 09105-47030 - Box Set, Jack (includes Jack, Handle, Wrench, and Type B Bag; XLE/LTD trim spec)
    $126.48 - $ 87.45 - $ 49.89 - 09105-47020 - Box Set, Jack (includes Jack, Handle, Wrench, and Type B Bag; Prime spec)
    
    autoparts.toyota.com
    autoparts.lewistoyota.com
    en.impex-jp.com

    edit: Hope this works.
    https://attachments.priuschat.com/attachment-files/2023/08/240911_Prius_Spare_Tire_Tools.pdf
     
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    Thanks; I found out by going to one of the Ja
    Yeah, I looked at some of the Japanese sites and prices, compared to US prices, really don't match. I'll just get me the cheapest.
    Thanks.
     
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    As far as I can tell, the reason for the different tool config is just to match different cut-outs in the original foam boxes.

    The "type A" bag for the wrench and handle goes into a molded cutout in the standard tray for the PHEV. There's a separate molded cutout for the jack. (Visible in this video).

    The "type B" bag for the whole set looks like it's to go into one of the rectangular wells in the standard tray for the higher-spec HEVs (Visible in this video).

    The standard tray for the low-spec HEV has 3-cut outs, one for each part. (Visible in this video)

    The spare wheel tray also has 3 cut-outs, one for each part. (Reference diagram here)

    So if you're fitting the wheel tray, you don't need a bag at all, and which trim you started with is not relevant. Just get whatever's cheapest for the jack+handle+wrench.
     
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    That's a great breakdown on the why of the three options. And glad you posted it this morning since I think I'm pulling the trigger and ordering this afternoon. It does confirm that I'm a bit screwed with trying to store all my stuff, but I figured that. I've got a first aid kit, emergency kit, battery impact wrench, and battery air compressor(the included air compressor and goop box will come out) that will all need new homes. Guess that's what those drop offs on either side are for. :)
     
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    What I'm left wondering is why the higher-spec US+Canada versions come with the high deck floor.

    Is there some regulatory thing going on here? I would expect Toyota to favour the lower floor just to get a better spec number, even if some people might prefer the flat through-loading onto the rear seats.

    Looking at the Japan brochures, it seems all HEV trims (Z/G/U) come with the lower deck floor as standard. Only the PHEV gets reduced space.

    The high deck floor and tray is an accessory option for ¥20,350 ($140).

    And the spare wheel itself is a factory option for ¥14,300 ($100).
     
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    prius of the past plug ins literally had a higher floor due to the battery. The deck floor has further to span because as the floor gets higher, it gets wider. Maybe its something like that
     
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    My guess is that focus groups told them buyers of the higher trims favored the easier in and out of the higher floor as well as the even floor with the seats down rather than the marginal extra space of the lower floor.

    SM-S901U ?
     
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    Dealership agent doing his instructional talk and show before driving my new blue prime home. He lifted trunk mat and asked him what's with all the styrofoam? He said Toyota is working on making a spare that will fit underneath the mat. He said Toyota heard this is what people wanted and is working on it.
     
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    Can you imagine even one potential customer, saying “what is this tire doing here; remove it, I want the pump and goop!”, lol.
     
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    Is there any possibility that a "temporary spare" (the donut-like spare that you can only do limited driving on), with its smaller size, will fit in the Prime? Had a scare this weekend with a flat in a remote area (thought I had one on a badly damaged road surface, turned out just unusual road noise) and so it got me thinking is there ANY way to install a smaller spare tire in the Prime?
     
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    Easiest is to do an "@bisco": score a compatible spare (compact or full size), and just plop it in the hatch, above the deck.

    Broken record: the best, but hard way to get a spare installed, stowed securely below deck, is to not buy cars if they don't come with a spare.
     
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    Yes, I understand you have a view on this issue, and not an unreasonable one, just one that doesn't work for me at this time.
    If you just "plop it in the hatch" won't your car smell like a tire? Seems like unless you can get it below deck that would be an issue, assuming you were ok with the space allocated to a spare.
     
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    no, the tire does not smell. there's no room below the deck of a prime, only the regular prius.
    you can also get a tire bag. some store it behind the passenger seat on the floor.