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No Ethanol Gas

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by eightiesdude, Oct 5, 2014.

  1. Corwyn

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    Most emphatically not!. Of all the topsoil that has been created over the history of the planet, half of it has been lost in the last 150 years. Since that is a exponential curve, unless we change direction, it will ALL be gone in a few decades. Topsoil losses in places like the midwest are estimated at an inch per year. (Former) rainforests are even worse. How many places do you know that are even composting their sewage?
     
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    Our obsession with fossil energies is consuming land at a dramatically faster rate.

    Pushing renewable technologies is a worthwhile effort.
     
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    Ugh....well the only thing I'll say is, most state and country gov'ts worldwide have bio as a top priority.
    Now we can modify the old saying: "....nothing is certain except, death, taxes and biofuels..."
     
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    Agreed, but we need to be very certain that technologies we are proposing are, in fact, renewable. Consuming topsoil is NOT.
     
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    If ethanol in fuel made good sense the government wouldn't have to subsidize it, enforce high tariffs on foreign ethanol, and force the consumer to buy it. Remove governmental support for ethanol and it would die a quick death. In Alaska all gas I have bought is ethanol free, am now traveling through the lower 48 and my economy has dropped 8%. This includes warmer temps than Alaska, though no A/C use to speak of. Fact is gas with ethanol has less energy than gas without. Turning food sources into fuel in a nation ripe with available energy is fuelish....
     
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