Isn't the only difference between Toyota's L1 ans L2 EVSEs the NEMA plug used? as @bisco mentioned above in post #16 . I don't see the issue, since there is still a ton of speculation .
Ugh. I didn't. I said standard connection. And now I will spell it out to be concise... SAE J1772 SAE J1772 SAE J1772 SAE J1772 SAE J1772 Clear now?
All I can see from here is a Wall or another brick it wouldn't come with both DC-fast and J1772 - could it? Like the reports of Prius Alpha in Japan.
Can you tell I'm frustrated by our lack of progress on that front? I had really hoped to find that connection so common at this point, we could shift focus to DCFC. Instead, there are few to be found. That is changing. Up north where we vacation, a few public chargers have finally appeared. My wife's Prime will have to do those trips. The 4X will be waiting for CCS to spread. So far, there are more unicorns.
Yeah we really need more DCFCs for road tripping. If manufacturers like Toyota aren’t planning on putting higher powered onboard chargers, then we’re stuck with cars taking 40-60 mins to reach 80%, so we’ll have to deal with longer wait times on busy weekends.
At least we'll be getting a BEV system that's decent in terms of efficiency. After all, there are 30 states that now offer per-kWh pricing rather than per-minute at DCFC. That means the amount of electricity itself needed to recharge makes a difference, while away and at home. Since I have my sight set on AWD, that's the numbers I researched with regard to similar size & price vehicles: 93. MPGe combined = 36 kWh/100mi = 2.76 mi/kWh = AWD Ford Mach-E 94. MPGe combined = 36 kWh/100mi = 2.79 mi/kWh = AWD Toyota RAV4 Prime 98. MPGe combined = 34 kWh/100mi = 2.91 mi/kWh = AWD Hyundai Ioniq 5 101 MPGe combined = 33 kWh/100mi = 3.00 mi/kWh = AWD VW ID.4 102 MPGe combined = 33 kWh/100mi = 3.03 mi/kWh = AWD Toyota bZ4X Limited 104 MPGe combined = 32 kWh/100mi = 3.09 mi/kWh = AWD Toyota bZ4X XLE 105 MPGe combined = 32 kWh/100mi = 3.12 mi/kWh = AWD Kia EV6 131 MPGe combined = 26 kWh/100mi = 3.89 mi/kWh = AWD Tesla Model 3 LR For perspective, if you are driving a Prius Prime with only electricity, it tops all those examples: 133 MPGe combined = 25 kWh/100mi = 3.95 mi/kWh = Toyota Prius Prime
Why are the BEVs all less efficient (kWh/100miles) than the Prime? Is their approach to just toss in a bigger battery? Like the auto manufacturers just tossed in a bigger gas tank years ago.
i think so. to sell any appreciable amount in the current environment, you have to appeal to more than efficiency. that's the last thing on most american consumers minds
going way to the end of the tree branch with this comment, bigger, heavier and higher cars that need to go 0 to 60 under under 5 seconds.
Yup! Huge vehicle with a huge battery adding up to a tremendous amount of weight to get moving and keep moving along with tons of air to push aside. And then there's all the inertia needed to get those heavy 20" wheels spinning. I've been lusting after the Ioniq 5 but may wait for the Ioniq 6, which will be smaller and should be more efficient. And then there's my Prime (and many like it). My lifetime average is 5.1 miles/kWh. Most of my driving routes these days are 5.7-6.0 miles/kWh with speed limits mostly 45-50 mph.
Because they’re heavier and are SUVs. Note the Model 3 sedan gets better kWh/100 miles. I suspect the Ioniq6 will be up there since it’s a low slung sedan. The larger wheels are needed for ground clearance since BEVs have the batteries beneath the cabin. On an SUV with higher ground clearance, you can use a smaller wheel since the suspension is raised anyway. On a sedan or Hatchback, they may resort to larger wheels to gain that 1/2-1” additional ground clearance needed without making the car look like an Outback Sedan.
They might want to call the extra high models King Tide trims or equip them with a floating suspension so they can be docked in or to the side of the garage..
