Nissan Leaf vs Prius

FYI for anyone interested, Nissan will be answering questions tonight about the Leaf from 8PM to 10PM EST

#carchat preview: April 14, 2010 ? with guest from Nissan! - The Carchat

 

Now you are moving the goalposts again. You asked how much a battery was. Now you want to use the installed price, not the retail price. (the installed price of an oil filter is wildly different than the retail price, so is the installed price of an engine or transmission. this is a common trend in car parts)

As an aside, ReInVolt will install one of their batteries for $282 a bargain.

Our point is that Prius batteries were NOT cheap when introduced, they have become cheap. Lithium batteries are not now cheap, they will become less expensive.

PriusOnline.com • View topic - replacement battery pack for 2001 prius
How long does a Toyota Prius battery last? How much does it cost to replace one? - Yahoo! Answers
Prius Battery Change is No Big Deal - Newsroom : Our Point of View Post / Toyota
"This reflects three price reductions for the first-generation battery since it was introduced and two price reductions for the second-generation battery."

 

I've lived there see my previous posts. I lived in India for 2 years. enjoy your blackouts while you scramble to get to work after the black out knocks out your alarm clocks. I will be enjoying paying nothing, onsite movie theater, library, pool and sport complex. While meeting people from all corners of the world. NYC has one of the lowest crime rates of any city in the world. Outside of a few isolated spots, NYC is very safe.

I'm glad you have you water in your backward. When that water ends up in your living room, I hope my tax dollars don't go to fixing the damage. Did I mention the 85 acres that are close by has a marina? and there is no driving or mass transit necessary. and I don't have to maintain it!

here a good link to help you start on the great LEED cert buildings

My buidling is not eutopian, people of all ethnicities, religions and sexual orentations live here.

The silver rating is the lowest. what's the rating on your house? The building didn't make gold was because it burns fossil fuels at times (natural gas). Platinum is a building among other things producing alot more power than it consumes. A building could be gold, but get bumped down to silver if it uses natural gas and definitely if it uses home heating oil. If the building was built with sustainable materials (stone material like granite takes off a lot of points)

It's a ratings scale and my building lost point for natural gas use. it also lost some point because some people had to have granite and exotic woods in their condos.

So when I get an EV my impact to the grid will be alot less than what other will be and if they continue to build places like this it could ease the burdern on the grid a lot. The EV station that's in Brooklyn is 100% solar powered. the modular design could fit in many places. I might go see it, will bring back pictures.

 

Interesting: Lithium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

lol, ya we probably both "right" i read report from oil industry, you read report from environmental activists

 

No I didn't. Do you read these posts?

I asked what the replacement battery price decrease was over the 10/11 years that Prius has been manufactured. The discussion (pay attention), revolved around another poster saying that he expected the Li battery to decrease in price over time. I said that the scarcity of Li makes it another beast, and can not be compared to the pricing of the NiMH batteries. With that said, I asked how the prices of NiMH batteries have changed over the 10 year period.

That's great, but that wasn't the question.

LOL. You have zero idea where the price of Li will go once the demand SIGNIFICANTLY goes up, as the demand for mor Li-based hybrids and EV's push that demand through the roof. You have no idea, so don't pretend you do. 60 Minutes did a great peice about Lithium, and their critical importance to new batteris. Turns out there are (currently) only about 3 mines (with any sizeable production) in the entire world that supplies all the vast majority of Li. Lithium is a very rare element, and like diamond, if the demand goes up, and the supply remains constant, or doesn't track the demand, the price of Li-based batteries will go UP, and not down. You people think this is purley a manufacturing cost issue, and with more demand, the manufacturing, and competition will drive down prices. That's all well and good so long as you can get the lithium you need which, if I believe the 60 Minutes report, may be a HUGE problem. Refining the Lithium to the right purity/grade is yet another issue that could drive cost up.

 

This has little to nothing to do with the topic, so we're done.

 

The Volt's main problems, as I see it are:

(1) A high price
(2) GM's perceived (or real) quality problems.

These two factors will limit sales of the Volt.

This may surprise you, but I agree completely. IMO, GM has poor, myopic leaders.

And I'm glad that it works for you. But for people like me, the Prius is a better option for the reasons I already mentioned. Unlike a lot of people on here that feel they have to convert, or talk people into a Prius (or name the car), I really could care less what anyone buys. I buy based on my needs, and not based on what other's think is right. To some, it's almost a religious exercise, where they feel the need to "convert" the "flock" who has gone astray. Sorry, but I'm no sheep. The Prius is a great car, and works just fine for me.

 

It looks like I will be driving my Prius a lot longer - The Leaf will probably not be available in the Boston market until the 2nd half of 2011, this according to "NissanEVs" twitter on #carchat from last night.

 

availability will be based on demand. when pre order starts on apriil 20, its only then that Nissan will determine availability and quantities. besides the initial rollout areas in Dec, they will also expand to 20 additional markets by 1st quarter 2011

 

Yes, they keep saying that, yet there where at least 3 people from Boston on last nights chat, and when I asked him directly, he stated "2nd half of 2011 likely".

 

Leaf owners should hope they don't need a new battery in 5 years:

Good review -

2010 Nissan Leaf electric car: In person, in depth -- and U.S. bound [*UPDATED w/vids & live photos] — Autoblog Green

"Batteries Not Included?

While it hasn't committed to anything yet, Nissan officials say they are shooting for similar warranty coverage to that of their more conventional offerings. Those vehicles come standard with three years/36,000 mile coverage, and powertrain coverage of five years/60,000 miles, and it will be interesting to see if Nissan can match those figures for the vehicle, it's electronic motor, and the expensive battery pack (estimated replacement cost: $10,000)."


YIKES!


Also -

"To yield a full charge, a 200-volt, single-phase AC charger takes less than eight hours, and topping off the battery from a 100 volt single-phase standard home wall outlet will take somewhere around twice that time, so prospective Leafmakers would do well to get 220 volt hookup ($2,200) like their clothes dryer uses out in their garage."

 

Training future engineers for the EV industry -

Purdue Newsroom — evGrandPrix revs up interest in electric vehicles


0-60mph in 5 seconds..now we're talking.

Good start. Need more efforts to bring out the best/brightest and most creative ideas.

 

But you HAVE to decide which you wish to compare, retail price or installed price. I can find historical installed prices over $6,000, those should only be compared to current installed prices. Historical retail prices from $5500 down to a current retail price of $2250
can also be compared, but twisting the discussion so that current installed price is compared to historical retail price will hide a great deal of the price decrease over time.

Amazingly, that is WHY that sentence starts with the words "As an aside," I am in fact warning you that this is not directly responsive to your question, but will be very useful to someone actually considering replacing a Prius battery. I hope how you can see how someone searching on replacing a Prius battery might find this thread. I am hoping they also find it useful.

Apparently my 14 years in precious metals mining and refining mean nothing to you, you prefer sound bites on TV. Very well.

 

No actually, my source was an oil industry report - the only way there's more than 500 days of oil out there is if we're incredibily lucky AND previous surveyors completely missed it.

We use a lot of oil now - maybe what you read was 20 years old or something...

 

And you know this because you've owned an EV... in practice and not in theory? I'd love to hear the details.

 

He's already got the FACTs. No need for direct experience in reality.

 

Yeah facts from last year, I'm glad nissan can violate california law that requires all battery operated cars to have a 100-150k mile warranty (hybrids are included in this)150k for carb states and 100k for non carb states.

 

Incorrect, California does not require EV to have 150K miles warranty on the battery, the law applied to Hybrid only. It is because the emission if the ICE depends on the electric motor. If the battery fails and the electric motor does not run properly, the emission will go up and fails the emission limit.