Newbie Owner - But Do you have regrets not getting the Volt?

Only true on L1 120V charging. On L2 240V, the Volt can make use of its higher-power charger.

 

I thought the Volt had a 3KW charger, vs. the 2KW charger in the PiP?

 

I'm not sure how this is different from what I wrote, although it is certainly more abstruse. ;-) So I guess if you "paid" $37k for the Volt you have a worse payoff price, and if you "payed" $34k for it you have a good one...

 

It seemed like you were implying that the PIP was a good value to buy out because of a strong residual and that the Volt would be unlikely to have a residual as high. I apologize if I read too much into your statement.

 

I posted awhile back that Volt incentives were getting crazy good and as much as I love my PiP I sure would've given a Volt a harder look if the price was 30k vs the 37 last spring...
Well talk about sleazebag dealers - my friend who was quoted that 30k went in prepared to buy only to find out that the 30k price INCLUDED the 7,500 fed tax back ! Pointed out that was incredibly misleading advertising etc etc

He ended up buying from a different dealership - got it for 35k and change so it'll end up being about 28 after he gets that Fed tax incentive next spring. I was instantly jealous when I saw it the other night - looks sporty and I know it's got good pick-up. Then I got in... talk about cramped, wouldn't work for me and what I need to carry.
Got in the back seat and that was terrible - he's got a 6 year old who's not going to be happy in a few years when her legs grow. Trunk looks ok at first then I notice the slope cuts into the space bigtime and wouldn't accommodate what we'd need on a trip. Bottom line - I'd have enjoyed this when single or with nothing more than one extra adult.

Positive is that the price gap has come down so just about 3-4k more than I paid for my PiP

 

Just for the record, as we have both cars: From "empty" on our L2 charger, the Prius charges in about 1.25 hours for 12 miles and the Volt charges in about 3.75 hours for about 43 miles. Since I drive both cars, the computer estimated mileages are about the same. Therefore, the Volt charges slightly faster.

 

I would be driving a PiP now if it was available in PA? Why OH Why isn't it a 50 state product? In any case, until an EV comes in with a) 200 mile range and b) under $35K nothings going to happen.

 

Toyota has got to be losing a lot of money on the PIP, so I'm sure they targeted the states they did for a reason. If you live in PA, getting your hands on a one isn't that much of a stretch given they are sold in several neighboring states. There is nothing stopping you from bringing one in.

I basically agree about the EV range and price, but it appears we are still slightly beyond the tipping point in terms of battery cost to make that happen yet.

 

Other than the local dealer refusing to pursue warranty work on it because a) they don't have a PIP certified tech and b) you didn't buy it from the. Yes, I know the later isn't legal but it happens all the time and with any brand.

 

no regrets. you can compare features and dimensions, but for cost savings, mpgs, ghgs etc., you really need to test drive both since there are too many factors.

 

No, you didn't mention anything in the OP about a test drive but it now makes more sense that you'd have second thoughts since you've driven one.

 

On my third Toyota First was a 97 T-100 Pick-Up Truck..what a great truck that was and I really miss it ..then came a 2011 Prius with Solar roof and Nav. I enjoyed that car no end and the people that bought it got a great car and I had it all tricked out ,Added the fog lights, Onstar FMV ,Shark Fin , optima battery, side moldings ,tinted windows,Auto Start
(this I Miss) Then I wanted to have a PIP and Leased (A Mistake) the 2013 Base model. I was happy because my Payments were lowered by over a hundred dollars . With all the good I had with Toyota I never even gave a thought to a Volt ,never even went to a chevy dealership to look at one ..But I would like to have more EV range and a spare tire would be nice

 

At least the lack of a spare tire can be rectified and maybe someday, the aftermarket can supply the extra range.

 

Just out of sheer curiosity...why do you consider your leasing to be a mistake?

 

Already can. Check out Plug-in Supply.

 

I am seeing three trends regarding public charging...

1. More public charging is coming, but much too slowly.....
2. More and more free charging stations are now "pay"' charging stations.
3. Plugin vehicle purchases are outpacing public charging installations on a percentage basis.

I wanted a vehicle that could rely almost exclusively on home charging at residential electric rates, yield significant EV range to meet my daily driving needs, but still not leave me stranded. That is why I got a Volt.

I could have purchased a PIP and would have saved some money, especially in the short run, but it would not have been the vehicle I desired. I was in a similar situation 5 years ago and bought a Honda Civic hybrid instead of a Prius, saving a few dollars, but regretting my choice for the entire time I owned the Honda. This time around the Volt was the vehicle I preferred, so that was what I got.

I never find my self saying. "I wonder what would have happened if I had bought a PIP.

 

My dealer was going to charge me more because out of state dealers won't assign regional hold-back $$$ to the PA dealer.

Seems more likely that hydrogen or LP cars might come to market faster. Already hydrogen engines with equivalent gas range and fill times.

 

...last Fall we had quite a few PA (and other state) folks hop over to MD dealers to buy PiP's at great prices. I need an update on PA incentives but believe last year it was $1000 off on PiP in PA.

 

The Volt is a Chevy. Gross.