National Coalition Launches Campaign to Urge

Here. Watch the webcast:

http://www.connectlive.com/events/austinen...50k-archive.asx

I hope it is still there!

 

No, if the electric companies all switched from natural gas to coal. Also, you may be able to get car drivers to switch but trucks and other heavy machinery are a different issue. I seriously doubt that all of the cars out there produce more than a fraction of the pollution that heavy machinery does. You seem to be under the presumption that there is no trade-off here. That somehow the pollution that a car produces is the same as the pollution that comes from a coal-burning electric company. Just because a plug-in electric car doesn't produce pollution out of its tailpipe doesn't mean that the energy used to power it doesn't produce pollution. I'm also a little concerned that you appear to be carrying pom poms. That is, you don't seem to know of any drawbacks to plug-in cars. Discussing an issue like this with a salesman isn't very useful.

 

Darrell, Are you holding back on me? GIVE ME MY PLUG!

I will sell them and be a cheerleader too! B)

 

CalCars -- Grid v. Gasoline

Good overview of how dirty (coal) grid-charging in the US is still better than full-gasoline cars.

 

Hey, me, too! I'll sell all you can make!

I believe that producing a decent (20-30 mile range) plug-in hybrid of the quality of the Prius would be a relatively simple task, now that the basic system is in place.

I'd bet you'd get a boatload of trade-in Prii!

 

Jack -

I don't know you, and you don't know me. You are, however, reading WAY to much into what I've written. My veiws are laid out for all to see on my EV pages (in my sig). There are trade-off's here. Big ones, in some cases. I'm after the net result, though. The net result of a plug-in vehicle is better than the net result of one that relies completely on gasoline.

I know most of the drawbacks of plug-in cars. I live and breath them. Are you aware of all the advantages? There are draw-backs and advantages. The answer we're all after is the NET consequence. And I firmly believe that that a plug-in options offers a net improvement in most of the important areas that concern me. Pollution, Energy policy, National security.

I don't make money off of plug-in cars, I pay for them. I put my money where my mouth is, and I know about them through experience, not through the press.

 

Darrell, You said this:

Anybody want to sell me a 2006 Silver Pkg 6 before my dealers gets one in?

I just found a 2006 Silver Pkg 7. Gray interior. Can you go to a #7 instead of a 6?

 

We have grid-tied inverters these days. During the day, I sell power to my neighbors (using the utility company as my proxy), and at night I charge my cars with the credit I earned during my productve daylight hours.

 

Nothing new needs to be invented, certainly. If you can find time to watch the web cast I posted, I think you'll enjoy it.

 

ok, darrell. I'll read up on your information sometime. If I read enough positive information for the next few years on plug-in vehicles then I'll see about the possibility of converting my car to it after the warranty runs out I'm very much aware of the laws of thermodynamics and enthusiasitic talk about jumping from one form of energy to another without discussing the consequences makes me a little uneasy. It's not the advantages that I need to hear, it's the disadvantages. We need to keep our attention on the big picture. That is, how we use energy as a nation.

 

Well now, there you go. That's the spirit that I was looking for.

 

Darrell,

You the Man, with the Plan. I love it, and I can't wait for plug in Hybrids. The best thing about hybrids is that they will lead to plug in hybrids, which will eventually lead to acceptance of EV's. EV's make sense for probably about 75% of American families (at least as a second, commuter car), and sooner or later, we have to get there.

 

Ah, interesting way to look at things. The best way for you to compare would likely be to book up on all the disadvantages of oil and gasoline. We don't start a new technology (battery electrics in this case) in a void. The new process needs to be compared to the old process to make a valid assesment of the benefits. All by itself, battery electrics seem horribly wasteful energy consumers that pollute terribly! All forms of high-speed transportation beyond walking and biking do. But just compare battery electric disadvantages to gasoline disadvantages and we'll see which one smells better in the end.

It sounds like we're mostly on the same page here, just coming at it from different angles. I'm a proponent of battery electrics, and I feel the need to show the public some of the benefits since we are bombarded with all the negative issues through the press and automotive PR (The Prius currenlty being sold with the by-line "you don't have to plug it in.) You will not hear me say that BEVs (Battery Electric Vehicles) are good for us, just that they're BETTER for us than what we have now. I too, cringe when I hear somebody say that battery cars will help "clean" our air. BS. They won't clean anything... they will simply slow down the pollution of that air. There are negative consequences to everything we do. In my current situation, the Prius will be my least efficient and most polluting vehicle in my stable.

Please do view the web cast if you can. The relatively diverse support of this program is staggering. For my money, national security is one of the BEST reasons to adobt it, even if we ignore some of the other huge benefits. (oops, there I go again being positive! Sorry! )

 

postive I can handle (crap, I sound like yoda now) I just had the impression that I was talking to a salesman and they never tell you any of the drawbacks to because that would get in the way of the sale.

Solar is great in certain parts of the country where the sunshine is plentiful but in this state, I'd need a lot more solar panel square footage than you have. Yes, I've looked in to solar power before, as well as the other nonpetrolleum options. Wind power may be more our speed here. The hundred mile range that you mention in your FAQ is actually about right for me but then there's the solar power limitation that we have here. Combination of solar and wind? I've speculated about this endlessly in my own little head.

 

There's an easy way to guarantee that I'm not a salesman... there is no product to sell! If there were, I'd likely be pretty good at selling it, but alas, there ain't nuthin'. My hope is that something I'm doing will help to change that situation.

 

Thanks so much for posting this Kiloran. I am like 1000% behind this program. Also think that we should have a national conversion program for current HEV owners to switch to this technology.