Map of which countries post dates in the right way or the wrong way

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  1. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    I'd say it is because of the linguistics and formal writing. Paper wasn't available in such quantities as it is today, and the colonials had to stretch things out. B. Franklin came up with daylight savings to conserve candles for example. Dropping the 'of' meant less ink and paper space use while extending the life of the quill.

    There is logic to putting the month first. Every one of them has days 1 through 28 in common at least. Without the month, how do you know in what part of the year a lone day belongs. The month goes first because it is more important.It is the same with our addresses. The apartment, if needed, is placed after the the street. You can't find the apartment without first getting to its street.

    The year gets added at the end since most correspondence didn't take place across years, and it was a safe assumption that the current year was the one being discussed. The headings on personal letters may have simply been the month and day.

    It is clumsy in regards to data filing systems, but remains a traditional holdover. I didn't realize that the US was basically the only country to use this format though.
     
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    The US is also one of the very few countries officially not using the metric system, which the YMD date format is part of. I think the other two are Liberia and Burma.
     
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    Hi hkmb,

    Yes, I have been a slacker. :oops:

    Being in IT, it would come as no suprize I like CCYY-MM-DD the most and think China and Japan have it right.
     
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    Cos it's easier to say June 5th than "the 5th of June".

    But as the map shows. Everybody else uses the 21-11-2013 format. Everybody else uses Celsius. Virtually everybody else uses metric (even if colloquially use miles or yards), but not America.

    When the civilised world consisted on US and Europe (and Oz and Canada) you could get away with it. Forty years later everyone is civilised and you're left behind. Where are all the tallest skyscrapers? Who's landing on the moon? It's not America any longer. You guys are where we were in the 1950's. The realisation that your time has gone will come soon enough. (y)
     
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    7 and a half this morning, and snowing. you lied to me.:cool:

    most of us already know it, just look at the u.s. debt clock. it's the rest of the world that hasn't caught on yet. they need to realize that our bribes are simply rerouted from china.
     
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    Montreal or rural Alabama - you all sound the same to us.

    Weirdly, I get mistaken for an actual Australian quite often by Americans when I'm in China. This happened even before I moved to Australia. I think a North-Western English accent throws them: it's not what they've been taught is an English accent, and the best placing they can do is Australian.

    Yes. In the olden days, I think it would have worked nicely for mail sorting.

    I agree: YYYY MM DD HH MM SS is the most logical progression. Which means that at one point last Wednesday (if we ignore the century bit), it was 13.12.11.10.09.08.

    As a pom, I'm with you on that.

    But you live in Victoria. Isn't saying "Soccer is FOOTBALL" a death-penalty offence down there?

    In New South Wales, Football can be football, football, or football. But in Victoria, I thought football was just football, and calling football or football football was unstrayan.

    Although at least we know we that poms, Victorians and NewSouthWelshmen can all look the Americans in the eye and say "That's not football. That's people prancing around in Joan Collins' shoulderpads and The Stig's helmet."

    This makes sense.

    And I suppose this does. Although from what I've heard about the USPS, increasingly correspondence does take place across years. Actually, until I changed ISPs a few months ago, my e-mail correspondence took place across years.

    But yeah, in the olden days when lots of people were farmers, maybe the month was the most important thing. Interesting thought.

    You're alone - or almost - in quite a lot of things like this. The metric system, as Hyo Silver says (although Britain is horrible mishmash on that front), electricity, and more. Maybe I should start a new thread on that.

    Well, it's Wednesday morning now, on December 18 (the eighteenth of December). It's 72F with scattered clouds at 9:25am, and it's going to get up to about 81F by this afternoon. So you have that to look forward to.

    It's the end-of-school-year class picnic for my daughter's class this afternoon, and parents have to come along, so I'm glad it's a nice day.
     
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    Or maybe they expect an English accent to sound like either Hugh Grant or a cockney geezer. Anything else is, well Australian. :)

    Saying that, where I work now in my small office I have an Irish boss, and Aussie, Kiwi and South African colleagues. Any Yorkshire accent has been well and truly watered down for sure. At least we all come from places that drive on the correct side of the road. Can't believe the Americans were influenced by the French and now drive on the wrong side! The French! I mean! America influenced by the French! ha ha ha :censored:

    Freedom fries anyone? :whistle:
     
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    I think that's precisely the problem.

    My accent was diluted in Hong Kong. The Hongkongers had no problem with my Lancashire accent. But the American lawyers I worked with thought I spoke too fast, so I had to slow it down. I reckon I speak about 30% slower now than I did when I first arrived in HK.

    This is why I am typing slowly now for our American readers.

    Hmmm.... I did grow up near a town that very much copied the French when it came to what the tallest building in town should look like. So I can't really criticise them for that.

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    Yeah well I'm a Euro migrant, grew up in NSW and Puskas was my childhood hero. I played League because we didn't have soccer teams at school. I love both codes but AFL ranks behind synchronised swimming and rugby Union in that order for me.;)

    Hmmm.... I did grow up near a town that very much copied the French when it came to what the tallest building in town should look like. So I can't really criticise them for that.

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    But the Americans gifted them with that!:D


    "Here" is a matter of perspective!:whistle:
     
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    How much of that correspondence involved a single topic that spanned several years? When talking about events from the recent past or near future, do you use last or next year, or actually say the numerical year?



    It is possible that reading comprehension and common sense was just more widespread. If I say next April and it is December, I don't expect people to think I'm talking about April 2013.

    Of course, the mm/dd/yyyy format may simply be because the writing rule of spelling out a number when it starts a sentence had people starting with the month instead of the day or year.



    With a background in the sciences, I don't get the resistance to the metric system. It is probably some silly cold war thing, or people thinking it will be burden to relearn things while not considering it will make things easier for their spawn.
     
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    Puskas was brilliant.

    I've got quite into AFL, I must admit. I can't get into League at all.

    But proper football (as you say) remains my favourite.

    Ah, no. The problem was that Optus' Internet service was so bad that it could easily take a couple of years to download an e-mail.




    That would make sense.



    Yes. Metric really is kilometres better.


    Yes, the cold war thing could work. "Hahaha! The commies will see signs saying "New York 100", and they'll think they'll only need enough fuel for 62 miles! Then we'll have them!"

    I did hear recently that, during the Hungarian uprising in the 50s, the people of Budapest swapped round all the street signs the night before the Soviet tanks rolled in, leaving the tank drivers horribly confused.
     
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    i feel like i'm chasing my tail.o_O
     
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    Interestingly, the American format is completely different than the American military format which is

    30 AUG 85

    For the same reason that the military uses a 24 hour clock, it is based on the idea being to make it as foolproof as possible. An all jokes aside, that counts for a lot.
     
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    Perhaps this is why D-Day was on June 6. It was the only way they could make sure the British and American troops all turned up on the same day.

    In Taiwan, by the way, today is 102/12/18. You know, just to confuse things a bit more.
     
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    It's the year 102? The 103-year-olds really were born before the beginning of time. ;)
     
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    They did indeed.

    Traditionally, all of China begins a new set of years with the start of each new dynasty. Mainland China has abandoned this, but Taiwan has stuck with it, and starts counting at 1911, the year that the Qing Dynasty was overthrown and the Republic of China was founded.
     
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    Now that we've established the correct date format..... :rolleyes:....how do we go about it getting it adopted world wide?
     
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    The International Organization for Standardization (ISO), to which the USA kind of subscribes, has had the date standard defined for many years. They've been pushing it since 1976 (based on work started in 1971), so over forty years now!

    ISO 8601 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    That comes right after we adopt the metric system.
     
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    We did adopt the metric system, back in the mid-late 1800s.

    Getting the ordinary citizens to use it in their regular daily lives is an entirely different matter.