Loud rattle when engine kicked on

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  1. ToyXW

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    Sure, does it rattle all the time? If you put the shifter in "B" mode, does it rattle when you let off the gas and engine brake?

    If not, the chances of a mechanical problem with the damper are virtually non existent (even worse than the odds of a bad coil pack causing a misfire for only the first 10 seconds your engine runs). Search Prius chat for "bad damper springs" and see how many results you get compared to blown bead gasket...
     
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    If there is damage to the clutch damper is it an expensive repair?
     
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    Thanks. Great explanations. A car idiot like me can understand what you're saying.
     
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    No. Because it almost never breaks and every junk engine has one. It is much more common that a simple head gasket job goes wrong. We had one guy who did the head gasket or timing three times, clutch damper once (just because) and ended up junking the engine with a bent rod. He was wrong about the clutch damper.

    One can think of all kinds of bad scenarios on a gen3. The brake booster could fail. The hybrid battery could go. A cheap head gasket repair could fail. Perhaps a scammer has been at work. The head gasket might have been going out when you bought it and was covered up by a car flipper. Lots of possibilities. But not much probability. You have an engine crying for help.
     
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    You can replace the the head gasket yourself for $300
     
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    I agree with Tim. Not to hard to change the head gasket yourself. Lots of videos on it.
     
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    I do not have those problems as far as I'm aware. Thank you ToyXW.
     
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    Thanks ToyXW. I did call one of them. Gentleman was very knowledgeable and helpful. Like most of you his experience suggests it's likely just the head gasket but their cost to fix it is over $5,000. If it ended up being more than the head gasket, we'd be in for big money after that. Don't think I'm going to spend that much for just the HG- especially with the high mileage on my car. It did have a good warranty and included water pump replacement.
     
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    You have to watch out for some of the fast money shops with hybrid in their name and "reconditioned" battery as their game. First reconditioning a hybrid battery is simply changing out the worst cells with slightly better used cells. Second, many of these hustlers subcontract head gasket jobs to other mom and pop shops and mark up the price by $2k.
     
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    Thanks, rjparker. What is your level of confidence with the rebuilt hybrid pit motor? The mechanic that I've found that does hybrid engine replacements won't provide a warranty on the install because he's not heard of them.
     
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    Confidence is high based on reviews here and elsewhere. Rebuilding this engine is no different than any recent all aluminum and plastic engine with overhead cams. It does take skill and experience even for a successful head gasket job. The successful diy crowd around here have both. You need to talk to Hybrid Pit about their warranty and determine if they are actually an option.
     
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    Just got off the phone with them. Talked to Greg. Great conversation. Thanks for suggesting them. Not sure I'm going to fix the car (& decided not to spend $6400 at the dealership, especially w/out a warranty to do it), but I do feel better about it the possibility after talking to him. If I lived in CA, I would be there today having them do it. Part of my problem is finding someone in Columbus with the expertise to do it who will give me a warranty on the install. The place here that I found sounds very good and has good ratings but they won't give warranties unless they pick the engine. Also still a little nervous about something else going wrong- battery, breaking system in the near future.
     
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    Wow $5,000 for a head gasket is crazy.

    An engine overhaul gasket set, which includes head gasket, lists for $271 from Toyota
    2010 Toyota Prius Gasket kit, engine o - 0411137316 - Genuine Toyota Part


    A water pump from Toyota lists for $310
    WATER PUMP. 2010 Toyota Prius | Toyota


    3 gallons of premix coolant is <$90 from Toyota

    00272SLLC2 - Toyota 50/50 Pre-Diluted Super Long LifeAntifreeze/Coolant - Genuine Toyota Part


    4 spark plugs from toyota is ~$50
    2010 Toyota Prius Spark Plug - 9091901275 - Genuine Toyota Part


    Oil filter is $6
    2010 Toyota Prius Engine Oil Filter Element - 04152YZZA6 - Genuine Toyota Part


    Oil is $20
    2010 Toyota Prius Gtmo 0w20 bk sn. Oil, motor, maintenance, fluids, filters - 002790W201 - Genuine Toyota Part


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    So you're looking at about $750 in parts if you pay as much as possible (list price at Toyota - parts should cost half that elsewhere). Labor shouldn't be more than 20 hours. So at $100/hour labor rates, you shouldn't be paying more than $2750 - maybe $3,000-$3,250 if they send the head off to a machine shop for resurfacing and a valve job.

    Is their warranty worth $2,000? That's basically enough to pay a different shop to do the job all over again.
     
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    duplicate post
     
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    What State do you live in? If it's Ohio.... I am working on mine in Westerville. I might be able to help you run some tests. Or show you what not to do.... Haha
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    Replacement cylinder head bolts too? Just for insurance. Ten of of them (part no 90910-A2011) is about $70 USD.
     

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    Also in Columbus. NW Side. Would definitely like to hear your advice. I'm definitely not doing this myself, though. Deciding whether to give up on the car or get a remanufactured engine from Hybrid Pit and have a mechanic in Columbus install it. May have found a mechanic but not certain. I tried to start a "conversation" with you but I got an error message. From what I can find, it looks like true hybrid mechanics are few and far between in these parts. See if you're able to message me. There's something you put in another post that I want to tell you about.
     
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    For anyone still following, I'm leaning heavily towards purchasing an remanufactured engine from Hybrid Pit (if the shipping is reasonable) and having it installed by a mechanic here who has good reviews and experience with hybrids, including installing engines (although unlike California and other places, nobody near me specializes just in hybrids). Since I'm not sure how much experience this mechanic has replacing these particular engines, I want to be certain that everything that should be done is done. Here's what I think should be done. If anything is wrong or anything needs to be added, please let me know:
    -replace water pump
    -peek at clutch damper in the transaxle to see if there's any damage (largely because this is where I think my mechanic noticed noise---he suggested it was a motor generator that's part of the hybrid system, which I think based on all of your comments is the clutch damper, right?), paying particular attention to the springs.
    -clean the egr (this was supposedly done at the dealership ~20,000 miles ago. If it looks clean should I still have him clean it?)
     
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    It says I can't start a PM with you?
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    Same. I get "We could not find the page you were looking for." when I click on "start a conversation". I just "followed" you. Maybe that will make a difference?