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Again, your entire premise is based on the falsehood of range anxiety... And again... Tesla owners have no range anxiety, only people who argue against being Tesla owners have it.

Also, rural rocky mountains and rural India are two totally different animals....

 

It's not a falsehood. I've driven several routes no Tesla could follow - not even close, in fact. A friend of mine with a Model 3 long range just went on a cross-country trip and told me that he had to drive across town to charge a few times, charge on dryer plugs in rented houses a few times and that he got down to 1-2% twice. And explain the video I posted above where a 100kWh Model X had to be traded for a Land Cruiser because of actual inability to get to the destination.

It's not range anxiety, it's lack of real-world range.

 

New advances in battery technology are announced every week by battery scientists... Whereas the advancement of ICE technology is such a stick in the mud that most of their research goes towards the same kind of misinformation that you're offering and every time someone buys the latest EV your claims are proven false and the misinformation effort fails.

And perhaps even more important than all of this is the fact the EV's require hardly any parts compared to an ICE car, which means way less people to pay to build the car, which means way more profit for the car maker. And when was the last time out-of-control capitalism ever passed up on an opportunity to make even more profit?

 

Sounds like he made his trip work quite well for himself and not once did he ever get the wretched stink of gasoline on his hands or in his lungs...

Many EV owners say they love their car even more when they drive by a crowded gas station knowing they'll never have to live that kind of stupid again.

 

And when one of them hits the market, I'll be the first to cheer.

My last conventional car was 22% efficient, my current one 40%.

It's not misinformation, it's the provable (and proven) truth.

And yet, they are somehow twice as expensive for half the range.

And yet, Tesla has bled money its entire life.

 

He sent the Model X home and a friend (or family member) brought him the Land Cruiser instead so he could make the trip.

 

Tesla is no longer bleeding money pal... There stock is actually posting a profit for shareholders on a regular basis... But you keep destroying the planet all you want with your misinformation and denialism... The EV future we're heading into will have not problems out-living your dinosaur ways.

 

It's not misinformation. If you believe current EVs can replace all ICE cars for all uses, you're just a liar. They can't. The actual answer is closer to 1% than 100%.

 

Yea, that's probably why China & EU decided to build the biggest ever Landrover factories in the world, right? Oh yea... I forgot, those aren't Landrover factories, they're Tesla Factories.

And if you think you're so smart, why is it that VW has decided to invest $91 Billion in an all EV future? The inside story of VW's $91 billion all-in bet on electric vehicles | Autoblog

 

Straw man - Wikipedia

 

In this case your argument/straw man is that EV vehicles aren't practical and will never be but a small minority of vehicles because they lack range?

Did you ever consider the range of CO2 in Earth's atmosphere? Maybe if your range anxiety was based on a planet that doesn't have any more room for more vehicle emissions, rather than your own selfish needs you'd realize that the technological limits of EV vehicles are nothing compared to the catastrophic wildfires, drought heat waves and massive increase in storm activity.

 

Maybe you should have read the article so you knew how to use the term.

Read the article so you stop making fallacious arguments.

Maybe, if you knew anything about me, you'd know I've done more about that problem than you have by a factor of millions (literally), since I've contributed in a not-so-insignificant way to the production of over 3 petawatt hours of clean, renewable energy.

 

I see the EV truck as being a perfect solution for many businesses in urban or suburban areas where many short distance local stops in a day carrying tools and supplies are the norm and recharging can be done at night in the shop area. I see the EV car/SUV/CUV as being a perfect solution as a second car.

Yes the number of locations with charging stations is growing.

If I could have persuaded my wife that she would love the RAV4 form factor (she doesn't) I would be driving a Model 3 now. But I need a vehicle in the family that can handle more of the edge cases. The trip to the grandkids with the seats folded and the back of the Rav4 filled with Xmas presents (somehow the requests were all for something big this year). The trip to the ocean with 3 grandkids and tons of luggage and beach accessories. The trip up into the mountains. The weekly trip to the dump with recyclables, etc.

Had the Y been available...

 

Your creation of clean energy doesn't magically negate/elimnate the very really problems rapidly building up in our atmosphere enough to allow the ICE engine to continue to be the primary vehicle powertrain.

Likewise, there's no virtue in claiming to know more than someone and doing more than someone by a "factor of millions (literally)". Those numbers are far beyond all difference between humans and it says more about your irrational nature and your inability to reference solid data and scientific facts because hyperbole is how you think winning really works.

We're all on this planet together and your arguments say more about the wrong-headedness of those causing the problems than the small number of people working hard to find the facts through which we can build solutions for the future.

 

Doesn't matter if the alternative is being stranded on the side of the road or not getting the job done.

I didn't say "know more...".

You putting words in my mouth speaks more to your literacy.

No, I'm right. Making believe a problem is solved when it's not is not going to solve the problem. Solving the problem will.

 

The quickest path to never solving a serious problem is for people like yourself to think you're right, even though you're against the best efforts to find solutions when it comes to EV vehicles... Being right gets in the way more often than the learning process which refines what being right grows into.

And I never said or implied the problem is solved. As far as I'm concerned land use and resource extraction is a much bigger problem than vehicle emissions. But unlike you I keep an open mind and do my best to promote solutions and encourage them to grow rather than ridicule them.

You remind me of someone who's way of thinking is so narrow it's like claiming a toddler who doesn't know how to read or write will never learn to do so... The narrow mindedness you present is toxic and the opposite of looking out for a future with a healthier planet for the next generation of humans won't hate the legacy you leave behind for them...

 

These are the same arguments made by the same parties in almost every EV "discussion" on PC. I seriously thought you guys were going to talk about the pros/cons of EV PUs this time.

 

Fascinating lively discussions on social media are in short supply during the winter holidays... So I have to make the most with what little there was to work with. Someday I'll spend more time writing books that many people read, rather than wasting my time discussing with sticks in the mud. But currently it's still a weakness I've yet to overcome...

 

This latest burst of discussion, and the "gap" between points held by @PriusCamper and @Lee Jay ties pretty closely to something I've had rattling between the ears for a while.

I think will see a decline in the popularity and availability of privately-owned, personally-driven long range automobiles of any power source.

The gas-powered ones are going to be (eventually) pushed out for environmental reasons, and the electrics-of-enough-range won't be economically viable in volume in time, i.e. never.

I can only hope that short-range electrics good enough for getting everybody to the park-n-ride are in good supply, and the buses and trains at these transit depots improve in their availability, destination diversity and quality.

 

Excellent points... This population density map I shared earlier probably also represents where that shift you're explaining is already happening and will continue to happen...