KWh/ Mile? Justifying 19 cent KWh electric rate

Like I told the 100mpg in traffic guy, a prime will probably hit 60 miles range hypermiling like he does already deflating the too expensive electricity argument

 

It's really hard to hyper-mile when you are traveling at a steady 70mph speed on the highway. Nothing you can really do except draft.

 

idk, i can't even hit 20 miles hypermiling. and i'm not that interested since you can't really take advantage. but i can get 15-16 around town in good weather, and would love to know what prime can do.

 

Do you drive 70mph into your parking space?

Given the limited range of the prime and the fact it's about the same price as a normal prii,

I have to guess you can use the primes ability to switch to electric at will in any driving situation where you are slowing down, going downhill, stopped or driving off the highway.

I'm certain you have at least 5 miles during a typical drive that you could command electric and save energy doing so. The longer your drive the more opportunity there is.

Aka you could use electric whenever it is most economically feasible on the road or when gas price goes up.

On my volt I can get about 10% better mpg on 1000 mile trips where I can't plug in gaming the ability to shut the motor anytime I expect a "low power" situation.

Add to this unless you only keep your cars only a year I fully expect gas to start climbing in price in the not so distant future, the rather small investment to have a better car like the prime is worth it even if you never charge it.

The prime should also allow for better preheating capability than a normal prii and is likely just a better car.

 

What are you talking about? The topic was all-electric driving range.

 

The topic is about 19 cents a kilowatt pricing and how to justify it.
Your argument is faulty because there is no reason to own a phev if you don't plan on burning gas.

With a prime you have the choice of using the fuel most appropriate to save you money.

For example in the winter it might be cheaper to run electric because gas mpg drops to 40ish

Your belief you only run one or the other for comparison is faulty.
Furthermore when you run ev you don't have oil and filter changes, there are costs beyond your simplistic comparison and fuel prices today are unstable.

The only reason to own a prime is because it gives you a choice of fuel, otherwise just own an ev.

Further that the prime is no different in price so you could just run it as a gas car

 

This is why I hate non-threaded forums. Here's the discussion you missed:

 

if it's like the pip, it's just like the lift back. once you're into the hybrid portion, the ice fires. after that point, you could be charging anywhere from 8 green bars (if you pulled up to the charger when the ice came on) yo 2 purple bars if you ran it all the way down.
how many kWh between the two?

 

I'm not going to sweat the details over a few cents/kwh. the way I look at it, regardless of the cost of electricity (within reasonable residential rates), I'd rather spend my money on electricity made in the US than on gasoline from big oil or a terrorist nation....

 

one of the many reasons i'm in the game.

 

Just the pleasure of extending the time between visits to the gas station is worth whatever I'm paying for electricity ( currently less than .16/kwh).

 

So you buy a car that is 100% made in Japan, putting Americans out of work. With the advent of fracking, this concept of being beholden to a despotic middle eastern country for imported oil is out of date.

 

Not out of date at all.

Oil is fungible. The origin does not matter, the price does.

 

I'm a production manager for a company in the aviation industry. We have more workers from other country's then we do the United States. We take applications from anyone. As much as I hate to say it the average American worker is lazy and feels entitled. It's Americans to blame others are taking their job not other country's. Maybe if American cars were built better more people would chose them over the Japanese.

 

If Americans ever start building decent cars, I will buy one.

We produce about half of the crude we need for refinery inputs.

 

maybe we can put the out of work coal miners on a nice healthy assembly line job.

 

If an american car was built as well and as efficient, I would buy one. Seems you're not opposed to putting americans out of work since you also own a prius. I am opposed to fracking. I am opposed to burning gasoline as a fuel. But until BEVs can replace an ICE for my needs and the infrastructure is sufficient, I'm stuck buying the most efficient car I can.

 

The most I've had to charge is 6.27 kWh based on the chargepoint charger at my work with a completely depleted battery and car has switched to HV mode.

I get >25 miles per charge in city plus stop and go highway. Pure highway at 70 mph seems <20 miles so HV likely the way to go on the highway...

 

I gather that gasoline is ~ $3/gallon in SF, so at 70 mph you are paying about 6 cents a mile in HV mode.
By your reckoning, 6.27 kWh of electricity pushes the car about 20 miles on the highway at 70 mph, so you are getting ~ 3.2 miles per kWh.

Equal fueling prices then would be 6*3.2 = 19.2 cents a kWh